What 10MM would you choose.

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ATLDave said:
Light weight is nice for carrying. Heavier weight is nice for actual shooting.
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Have you ever shot a 10mm Glock? Not being snarky, just wondering. They are very, soft shooting compared to other platforms.

When I was developing my hardcast woods loads for the G29 and the Ruger Blackhawk, I could shoot the Glock all day without an issue. After a couple of cylinders through the Ruger, I put on a glove. Very painful.

It's pretty common knowledge that the Glocks are very good at mitigating the recoil of the 10mm.

On the other hand, I have never shot a 10mm 1911, so no idea if they are softer or not.
 
Trey Veston said:
Have you ever shot a 10mm Glock? Not being snarky, just wondering. They are very, soft shooting compared to other platforms.
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Yes, both 20's and 29's. They are not painful to shoot, as the frame flexing does take some of the sting out of them.

But their muzzle moves around more than my Tanfoglios with the same ammo. FWIW, I find the backstrap of 1911's a little too narrow for comfortable extended shooting with a 10mm. I like a wider backstrap and weight. There are guns that offer both, and that's what I have gravitated towards.

But I'm not much of a backpacker since my boy scout days.
 
While tromping through my woods .. It is very possible to run up on a Black bear . .. Most of the time they run off..
But now they may not , being they are getting closer and closer to more populated areas ... Actually walking downtown.. Getting in swimming pools .. and such .. They just don't exibxit fear .. A lady in a neighboring town was attacked by a black bear just a few weeks ago ...in her back yard in a well populated community...
Its not uncommon to hear of 450lb+ black bears being taken in this area .
My nephew carries a 29 loaded with Underwood 220gr hardcast , while river or stream fishing and hunting...
Momma Bears and young Male bears are the biggest threat .. He has ran right up on 400 to 450 lb bears that didn't run . ...
I don't get out like I used to .. health problems and laziness.. But when I do check tbe fence lines , or checking the springs or just a walking / light hiking.. I carry my Glock 20 .. loaded with somthin from UW, in 200gr XTP , or 200gr FMJ ..
Im more concerned with two legged vermin.. meth heads and such ( yep they are sometimes in the woods , living or dopeing or such ...
If I have to go to the barn day or night , I take my Glock 43 /180gr HST or my LCR357 with Underwood 158gr GD ( I keep a speed loader filled with that fodder ) ..,
If you have noticed I have mentioned Underwood quite a bit .. Other than my 40 S&W and 9mm I depend on Underwood.. 380 ,38spl,357mag,357sig,10mm & 45acp

Also as has been mentioned Ruger is coming out with a 3 inch barreled LCRX in 357 mag !!!! That and Underwood will be a good choice for non-Grizzly areas ...
If , if I was in a area with Grizzlies ---
I'd opt for a Ruger in 45 Colt and heavy Underwood loads ..
 
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After a good bit of reading and online studying.

I am now sure I will be looking at the Glock 20,29 and the Springfield XDm's.

Price is not a real consideration,but weight and size will be a consideration.

They will be for CCW as that I how I roll,yes even in the woods.

Blame it on over a quarter century of being an LEO,and that was how I preferred to carry when not on duty.

And I wish to thank all who actually addressed my questions.

I will continue to follow this ,even after I buy "the one".
 
One of my all time favorite guns was my S&W 1006! It was a tank of a 10mm. I had to sell it about 20 years ago and have always planned on purchasing another. BUT it was big and heavy and not a gun that I ever enjoyed lugging around with me. As much as I loved the S&W 1006 I would buy a XDm 10mm if I purchased another 10mm... mainly for the extra 6 rounds and the lighter weight. The ergonomics of the Springfield XDx series agree with me more than do the ergonomics of the Glocks. But I still prefer SA/DA hammer fired pistols with decockers over striker fired pistols.

XDm - 32oz - 15 round magazine
S&W 1006 - 39oz - 9 round magazine
Glock 29 - 25oz - 10 round magazine or 15 round extended magazine
Glock 20 - 40oz - 15 round magazine
Ruger 1911 in 10mm - 41oz - 8 round magazine

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Had a group of drunks invade our campsite at 3am one morning. We were the only campers in the whole campground and they decide to park right next to us and make lots of noise and swim in the lake. We're 30 minutes from the nearest sleepy town, in the middle of Kansas: there's no one for miles.

After 20 minutes we'd had enough. My buddy and I confronted them, and most were understanding, but a couple wanted to fight about it. One was so drunk she squatted mid argument and took a pee, right in front of everyone and nearly on my buddy's boot. They eventually got back in their car and motorcycle and went elsewhere.

Though I'm glad I didn't have to even show it, I'm glad i had my g20 in my boot, with 15 rds of buffalo bore loaded.

Them two legged snakes are everywhere, and you can never trust anyone farther than you could throw em.
 
I've had the following:

Colt Delta Elite Customized by Briley
Dan Wesson Pointman 7 10mm
Glock 20
Glock 29
S&W 1006
S&W 1066
S&W 1026
S&W 1076

The only one that is left is the 1006. Actually I sold it years ago, and then replaced it recently for a lot more than the one I sold. Despite my love of the 1006, parts and magazines are hard to find, so I consider it a collector's pistol.

The Glocks are by far the most practical, but are also hard to get too excited about. I'm fairly interested in the all steel P220, as I am a big fan of the platform. I was a bit underwhelmed by the 10mm 1911s. I concluded that I much prefer the 1911 in .45.
 
As a follow on, I had a Storm Lake barrel in my G20 and a heavier recoil spring so I could recover my spent casings. I pushed a 200gr bullet pretty fast using 800X and went a bit beyond the published limit on powder so I'll keep that part to myself.

I also had a SW 1006 during the same time as the G20 but it was way too heavy on the hip climbing up and down and through the wilderness and resorted to the G20.

Thanks to you all, I'm now looking to purchase an XDM in 10MM....smh.
 
Well,went to a gun show [ Rochester NY ] and I saw a decent shaped Glock 20 in 10mm and it was 475.00
So awaiting its delivery and then will be taking it out to T&E.
But fully expect to send it to Robar to refigure the grip/backstrap for my smaller hands.
 
Trey Veston said:
Apparently the latest versions of the 1911 are quite finicky. I am no expert on the 1911 platform, but it seems getting one very reliable out of the box is quite a feat. And the increased weight and reduced capacity mean that they are a compromise over the Glock 20, even if they are made reliable and robust.

In my opinion, and I'm not saying anyone who chooses a 1911 over a Glock is dumb or ignorant or ignoring facts. I'm trying to be nicer in 2019... ;-)
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No, no, and no.

If you were to go out and buy 100 random new 1911 pistols today you would have 100 working 1911 pistols.
 
Texas10mm said:
No, no, and no.

If you were to go out and buy 100 random new 1911 pistols today you would have 100 working 1911 pistols.
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Even if that were true (and I highly doubt it based on reality), you would still have 100 pistols that have substantially less capacity, more weight, and less reliability than a Glock or XDM in 10mm...
 
I have a Glock G 20 with an aftermarket barrel. Works great. I have a Kimber elite2 10 mm works great very accurate. I have a couple of the EAA witness 10 mm they work great. I take the Glock in grizzly country backpacking. Not because it's a better gun, mostly because it has more capacity and it's ugly and dirt and grit don't seem to make it any uglier. LOL
 
Casefull said:
Not because it's a better gun, mostly because it has more capacity and it's ugly and dirt and grit don't seem to make it any uglier. LOL
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Amen, i cant take a beautiful blued gun with nice wood and tight tolerances out into a river or up into the mountains for a couple weeks. Glocks dont care about any of that. Im rough on my super redhawk but i at least clean it up if its been abused, my glocks get rinsed out and oiled after theyve been in the nasty conditions- and they cant get uglier.
 
Obturation said:
How do you carry a g20 in your boot??? Ive never heard of anyone trying to do that.
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I dont "carry" it there... just that one time

Size 13 cowboy boots and shorts... I put it there for quick access, yet "out of sight, out of mind". It was the dark of night and we were already in the tent when the drunks showed up. My friend had been beaten nearly to death with a bat in a similar situation and I sure wasnt gonna let that happen to me.

It never left my boot until they were gone.
 
I wouldn't call a 1911 a paper weight, but after owning and shooting one for 40 years trust a Glock far more, especially in harsh conditions. Much more so than even a revolver, which I've also been shooting for over 40 years. The fact that a G20 and especially a G29 is far more compact, lighter, and holds 2.5X as much ammo is a huge bonus.

Performance wise a 200 gr hardcast bullet @ 1200-1300 fps (Double Tap) or a 220 gr hardcast @ 1150-1200fps (Buffalo Bore) is right with 44 magnum when fired from 4" or shorter barrel. And while not quite matching 44 mag in energy numbers will match or beat 240 44 mag ammo in penetration. The odds are just as good that the better 10mm rounds stopping a large predator as any 44 mag. Better than 357 mag.
 
Trey Veston said:
When you're talking about a firearm that will be carried in the woods as a back-up firearm for defense against critters and possibly people, that will be subjected to abuse, mud, debris, moisture, and God knows what else then forget anything in the 1911.

Seriously. The fact that so many people are recommending 10mm 1911s proves my theory that most posters here don't actually venture more than 50yds off the gravel roads from their King Ranch pickups.

I live on the edge of the wilderness. I am in the woods at least once a month where there are wolves, bears, ill-tempered elk, cougars, and the occasional tweaker.

There is no cell service where I go. If I get lost, there is no walking in any direction for a couple of miles and hitting a road. I grew up exploring the woods and hunting and fishing where choosing the wrong equipment could be fatal.

The 1911 is the wrong equipment.

I took this pic last month from where I consider to be my backyard. I am 10 miles from the nearest paved road, no cell service, 15 miles from a town, yet I don't consider it to be true wilderness...

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This is on a moose hunt a year or so ago. Nearest town was 20 miles to the West, it was grizzly country, wolves everywhere, and if you start walking East, you won't hit a town for 100 miles.

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What <<are the most common>> sidearms in Alaska and Montana and Idaho? Either a large bore stainless revolver or single-action or a Glock in 10mm. Period. You will rarely see anything else being carried where actual lives depend on firearm choice rather than internet chest-puffing and gun shop bragging.

This is what I carry when in grizzly country with my own reloads that use 300gr hard cast bullets that I actually cast myself. It's a Ruger Blackhawk Bisley in .45 Colt with a 5.5" barrel.

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This is what I carry when in most places in Idaho where there is a nearly zero chance of coming across a grizzly, a Glock Gen 4 G29 in 10mm.

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The Glock G29 is reasonably compact, holds ten rounds, or you can use the G40 15-round magazines and a $12 X-Grip adapter if you desire. It is reliable, stupid accurate, and eminently customizable to meet any of your needs. It is in the top three list of any serious outdoorsman who knows anything about real world conditions and doesn't get a case of Tourette Syndrome whenever someone mentions Glocks.
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Nice wrench!!!!
 
10mm is comparable to 357 Mag from similar barrel length handguns. Both top out at about 750 ft-lbs with heavy for caliber bullets. 10mm Auto is far from 44 Mag performance. A 4-inch 44 Mag will easily push a 240 gr to over 1400 fps. That's over 1000 ft-lbs.

I love 10mm Auto but it is not 44 Mag in any way shape or form.
 
mcb said:
10mm is comparable to 357 Mag from similar barrel length handguns. Both top out at about 750 ft-lbs with heavy for caliber bullets. 10mm Auto is far from 44 Mag performance. A 4-inch 44 Mag will easily push a 240 gr to over 1400 fps. That's over 1000 ft-lbs.

I love 10mm Auto but it is not 44 Mag in any way shape or form.
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I agree. I have a couple of 44 mags and a freedom arms 454 casull. A pistol is still a pistol though. A 44 mag cannot be counted on to stop a charging grizzly before it gets to you as it is a handgun. I personally prefer the idea of shooting a lot of rounds at that theoretical charging bear. My guess leads me to 10mm for that moment of "oh sh-t". I should carry my 454 but it weighs almost as much as a rifle.
 
Casefull said:
I agree. I have a couple of 44 mags and a freedom arms 454 casull. A pistol is still a pistol though. A 44 mag cannot be counted on to stop a charging grizzly before it gets to you as it is a handgun. I personally prefer the idea of shooting a lot of rounds at that theoretical charging bear. My guess leads me to 10mm for that moment of "oh sh-t". I should carry my 454 but it weighs almost as much as a rifle.
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For bruin defense the first rule, have a gun; second rule, be able to hit what you are shooting at. The actual cartridge seems a distant third. There are plenty of examples of successful bear defense with 9mm and similar cartridges.

Personally in bear country assuming a rifle impractical in the situation I would probably do a 44 Mag revolver but I like revolvers and have one to use. That said if push comes to shove I would feel almost as good caring any of my full-size centers fire handguns.
 
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