Big Gay Al
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I simply quote Sigmund Freud: "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."
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Sir, I consider that remark an egregious affront to the progressive nature of our state. Everyone knows California is a bastion of tolerance, a monolith of multiculturalism, a dynamo of diversity, a stalwart defender of personal security even in the face of unabashed oppression as suffered by the residents of the other 49 states. We lead the nation in unending regulation of oppressive corporations and the rich who own them. Not to mention our onerous taxation of everyone and everything that could possibly produce anything, thereby allowing the disenfranchised access to welfare, healthcare and education unmatched anywhere in the civilized world. Consider yourself chastised and disabused of your formerly unenlightend opinion.
rock jock
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Well, this is quite the lovefest we are having here. At some point, this thread migrated from one endorsing RKBA for homosexuals to one giving a big thumbs up to the gay lifestyle. Let me just say that while I fully endorse the former, I don't believe the latter is reflective of a good number (perhaps even the majority) of THR members. I, for one, heartily support a Constitutional Amendment reserving the institution of marriage for heterosexual couples only and will oppose any effort that seeks to "normalize" homosexuality as an accepted practice. Other than that, welcome to THR!
Funny, this thread would kind of suggest otherwise...
Too late. Whether you support gay marriage or not, I think, is an issue unto itself, separate from belief that the 'gay lifestyle' is to be respected. The gay marriage issue has many facets to it, not all of which even have anything to do with the 'gay lifestyle' at all.
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mlomker
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rock jock, I think it was just one or two people expressing their opinions on the marriage issue despite its lack of relevance on this forum. Not all gay people *want* to get married, by the way...I sure don't. I'd like to continue owning my own stuff, know what I mean.
Big Gay Al
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Funny, I didn't read that in any of the posts in this thread.
What I did read was positive, supportive posts from straight 2A supporters to Gay 2A supporters. And more than a few said they did not approve of the Gay lifestyle, but still support the right of self defense and the right to keep and bear arms for EVERYONE, regardless of lifestyle.
I think you're reading more into this thread than is physically here.
But that's just my humble opinion.
fix
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Andrew Rothman
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Welcome, Michael! Stick around. This place is the best!
Lazpash
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Hello from Ohio! And thanks for the welcome
Hi everyone! Sorry it took so long for me to get over here.... things have been a tad hectic the last couple of weeks here in the Central Ohio Area.
Standing Wolf comented:
>Welcome from Colorado!
>I have more in common with homosexuals who support and exercise the
>Second Amendment than I'll ever have with heterosexual anti-Second
>Amendment bigots
Standing Wolf, that works the other way too... I have more in common with a heterosexual (not to mention more respect) who supports the 2nd Amendment than I'll ever have in common w/a narrow minded anti-2nd amendment queer.
Croyance asked:
Playing with Babel Fish (on other things) made me think, does Pink Pistols have international chapters?
Some of the names would be okay: Pistolas Rosadas (Spanish, my favorite translation)
Le Pink Pistols (French, kind of lame)
ðîçîâûå ïèñòîëåòû (Russian, how much more intimidating can a name like Pink Pistols get than this?)
Rosafarbene Pistolen (See, German does have a romantic side)
Seriously, are there international chapters or affiliated organizations?
I'm not aware of any actual CHAPTERS, but I recall once when hunting down info on the Pink Pistols seeing ARTICLES in both German and Spanish (that was in Mexico somewhere) so the concept is out there.
Also may wish to (if motivated at all) check out "Cease Fear" as I believe it predated the PP... by like a couple of months (I think).
RileyMc asked:
>A question for you PP guys.....
>How do you handle the assertion that a "fascination" with firearms is
>some sort of a phallic acting out meant to compensate for
>underendowment, or however the psychobabble artists phrase it?
For me, it's easy as I do not get "into" all the "fascination" aspects. (much to StonerStudent's chagrin) I'm into what the tool can get/keep for me - my freedom, my health. I point, I fire, I get 10 points. That's all I care to know. Though I am picking up more intel as I hang around some of those who ARE fascinated w/firearms. I'm more of a firearms RIGHTS nut than I am a firearms nut.
Plus being female ...
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When citizens fear their government you have tyranny. When government
fears its citizens you have freedom. -Thomas Jefferson
Hi everyone! Sorry it took so long for me to get over here.... things have been a tad hectic the last couple of weeks here in the Central Ohio Area.
Standing Wolf comented:
>Welcome from Colorado!
>I have more in common with homosexuals who support and exercise the
>Second Amendment than I'll ever have with heterosexual anti-Second
>Amendment bigots
Standing Wolf, that works the other way too... I have more in common with a heterosexual (not to mention more respect) who supports the 2nd Amendment than I'll ever have in common w/a narrow minded anti-2nd amendment queer.
Croyance asked:
Playing with Babel Fish (on other things) made me think, does Pink Pistols have international chapters?
Some of the names would be okay: Pistolas Rosadas (Spanish, my favorite translation)
Le Pink Pistols (French, kind of lame)
ðîçîâûå ïèñòîëåòû (Russian, how much more intimidating can a name like Pink Pistols get than this?)
Rosafarbene Pistolen (See, German does have a romantic side)
Seriously, are there international chapters or affiliated organizations?
I'm not aware of any actual CHAPTERS, but I recall once when hunting down info on the Pink Pistols seeing ARTICLES in both German and Spanish (that was in Mexico somewhere) so the concept is out there.
Also may wish to (if motivated at all
) check out "Cease Fear" as I believe it predated the PP... by like a couple of months (I think).RileyMc asked:
>A question for you PP guys.....
>How do you handle the assertion that a "fascination" with firearms is
>some sort of a phallic acting out meant to compensate for
>underendowment, or however the psychobabble artists phrase it?
For me, it's easy as I do not get "into" all the "fascination" aspects. (much to StonerStudent's chagrin) I'm into what the tool can get/keep for me - my freedom, my health. I point, I fire, I get 10 points. That's all I care to know. Though I am picking up more intel as I hang around some of those who ARE fascinated w/firearms. I'm more of a firearms RIGHTS nut than I am a firearms nut.
Plus being female ...
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When citizens fear their government you have tyranny. When government
fears its citizens you have freedom. -Thomas Jefferson
stevelyn
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Welcome from the Great Land.
sm
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Welcome Aboard.
I shared this with Trisha in a email once ...
I'm a Southern Boy, and like the ladies myself...
Most frustrating group of ladies I ever taught to use shotguns were young, attractive and dressed in short shorts and revealing T shirts. Two couples of couples.
I invited them out in mid-week and we had the range to ourselves.
Well one gets a busted a clay down her revealing top...Just takes it off , shakes it out, her partner checks for injuries, puts on another shirt better suited for shooting. I can't focus, I miss the next 3 birds...
Oh the ladies shooting was not frustrating , they were too good looking and kept taunting me...enjoying every minute of it too.
Great ladies, ended up as great shooters. Had a great sense of humor. We went out for pizza and I guess I was a bit too obvious looking at lady across the way.
One of the group leaves and comes back... " Well a lady knows things - she is your type - not ours"...and Gets the lady to join us at our table!
Kinda nice when folks notice a Southern Boy with 4 good lookers surrounding him when going out to eat...I had the best looking squad on the range too.
As others have said I have like kind that are totally opposite of my RKBA.
These were 4 traveling surgical nurses, I taught them to shoot skeet while they did a rotation here. Last I heard headed to CO.
If one one you is them...it's me...the guy you embarrassed the hell out of more than once!
I shared this with Trisha in a email once ...
I'm a Southern Boy, and like the ladies myself...
Most frustrating group of ladies I ever taught to use shotguns were young, attractive and dressed in short shorts and revealing T shirts. Two couples of couples.
I invited them out in mid-week and we had the range to ourselves.
Well one gets a busted a clay down her revealing top...Just takes it off , shakes it out, her partner checks for injuries, puts on another shirt better suited for shooting. I can't focus, I miss the next 3 birds...
Oh the ladies shooting was not frustrating , they were too good looking and kept taunting me...enjoying every minute of it too.
Great ladies, ended up as great shooters. Had a great sense of humor. We went out for pizza and I guess I was a bit too obvious looking at lady across the way.
One of the group leaves and comes back... " Well a lady knows things - she is your type - not ours"...and Gets the lady to join us at our table!
Kinda nice when folks notice a Southern Boy with 4 good lookers surrounding him when going out to eat...I had the best looking squad on the range too.
As others have said I have like kind that are totally opposite of my RKBA.
These were 4 traveling surgical nurses, I taught them to shoot skeet while they did a rotation here. Last I heard headed to CO.
If one one you is them...it's me...the guy you embarrassed the hell out of more than once!
Stand_Watie
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I think that pretty accurately sums it up.
Lone_Gunman
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I am getting into the thread late, but I have a few questions for anyone who wants to answer.
What I want to know is why not just be part of a mainstream gun group?
How does sex or sexual orientation tie into gun rights? The fact that I am a straight male isn't what makes me pro liberty, so why does orientation need to be flaunted while doing work on preserving your rights?
Other minority groups seem to do this also, and all it seems to me is to be a point of division rather than unity between the group and the rest of society.
What I want to know is why not just be part of a mainstream gun group?
How does sex or sexual orientation tie into gun rights? The fact that I am a straight male isn't what makes me pro liberty, so why does orientation need to be flaunted while doing work on preserving your rights?
Other minority groups seem to do this also, and all it seems to me is to be a point of division rather than unity between the group and the rest of society.
Being a baptist, and a libertarian...
Your sexual preference means nothing to me, keep on truckin'.
So how does PP work? Anybody can be a member I'm guessing?
Big Gay Al: Thuper! lol
That one babtist church thing is nuts. They're not real babtists IMO, nor Christians. I practice the "whatever floats your boat" theory. So long as it's consenual for any parties involved... ain't none o' my bidness. Beastiality, homosexuality, electronicality... list goes on.
Deserved to die because they're sinners... bah. Annoys me to no end that they call themselves Christians.
Your sexual preference means nothing to me, keep on truckin'.
So how does PP work? Anybody can be a member I'm guessing?
Big Gay Al: Thuper! lol
That one babtist church thing is nuts. They're not real babtists IMO, nor Christians. I practice the "whatever floats your boat" theory. So long as it's consenual for any parties involved... ain't none o' my bidness. Beastiality, homosexuality, electronicality... list goes on.
Deserved to die because they're sinners... bah. Annoys me to no end that they call themselves Christians.
dpsychs
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I'll take a stab at this... First of all, many of us ARE a part of mainstream gun groups, in addition to being Pink Pistols members, so it's not a mutually exclusive thing. But to answer the implied question there - why does Pink Pistols exist at all - there are a number of reasons/benefits to having a group like this.
First, it is a non-threatening forum for other GLBT people to be introduced to guns - and subsequently, firearm rights. I can assure you that I have had little or no success at enticing my friends out to mainstream gun groups, but our Sacramento PP group stands at about 113 members currently.
Second, as a group that is categorically and specifically targeted for violence, it makes sense to organize as a self-defense group - similar to women's groups that teach women tactics to defend against rape and assault.
Third, this is a politically potent group in the sense that many (most?) of us are socially liberal (at least in terms of gay rights), and the Democrats rely on our votes. This means, of course, that my (Democratic?) anti-gun rep is going to be a lot more concerned when I write and let him/her know that I will withhold my vote if they continue their anti-gun tactics than when you do, because they are not expecting to get your vote. It makes even more of an impact when I can claim affiliation with a "group" who believes the same things I do.
Finally, it is nice, once in awhile, to be in a group of people at the range who do not think I am "flaunting" my orientation if my sweetie makes a great shot and I give her a hug or a quick smooch - same as you might do with your girlfriend. You'd be amazed at how tiresome it is to have to second guess your every move because you're in a crowd that may turn hostile if you behave the same way as any other couple would.
If you're interested in learning more about the group, the main web site has a lot of interesting information: www.pinkpistols.org
mlomker
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How does sex or sexual orientation tie into gun rights? The fact that I am a straight male isn't what makes me pro liberty, so why does orientation need to be flaunted while doing work on preserving your rights?
A generally good question, but we really don't like it when straight people use the term "flaunt." If I had $1 for every time I saw a straight couple walking around in public holding hands or kissing I'd be wealthy...straight people flaunt their sexuality a whole lot more than gay people do. We are more or less forced to be publically conservative (outside of a gay venue) for our physical safety...give that some thought.
I'm a life member of the NRA. I was a life member of the GOA, but they made too many anti-gay statements so I told them where to go. The Minnesota PP branch isn't political at all--we're a social organization where we can get together and discuss life and do some target practice. We get together as gay couples for the same reason that straight couples or singles would hang out--you can relate to one another and have common life/family arrangements.
We also act as advocates within the gay community--we set up booths at the gay pride event and try to cojole other GLBT folks to take their own personal safety seriously--through martial arts or handguns for self-defense.
If you think it's comfortable for us to hang out with straight people then I suggest that you try the opposite sometime--come to a PP meeting and see how you feel. That's kind of what it's like to hang out with straight people all of the time--you don't have a lot to talk about on a personal level that'd be appropriate. We do have a number of straight members, by the way...they are often Libertarians or people that are very comfortable with who they are (yes, some of them are odd).
A generally good question, but we really don't like it when straight people use the term "flaunt." If I had $1 for every time I saw a straight couple walking around in public holding hands or kissing I'd be wealthy...straight people flaunt their sexuality a whole lot more than gay people do. We are more or less forced to be publically conservative (outside of a gay venue) for our physical safety...give that some thought.
I'm a life member of the NRA. I was a life member of the GOA, but they made too many anti-gay statements so I told them where to go. The Minnesota PP branch isn't political at all--we're a social organization where we can get together and discuss life and do some target practice. We get together as gay couples for the same reason that straight couples or singles would hang out--you can relate to one another and have common life/family arrangements.
We also act as advocates within the gay community--we set up booths at the gay pride event and try to cojole other GLBT folks to take their own personal safety seriously--through martial arts or handguns for self-defense.
If you think it's comfortable for us to hang out with straight people then I suggest that you try the opposite sometime--come to a PP meeting and see how you feel. That's kind of what it's like to hang out with straight people all of the time--you don't have a lot to talk about on a personal level that'd be appropriate. We do have a number of straight members, by the way...they are often Libertarians or people that are very comfortable with who they are (yes, some of them are odd).
SodiumBenzoate
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Welcome!
Mostly Harmless
Member
I'm not new, but I'm a PP
I have the dubious pleasure of being a longtime friend of the PP founder and am currently the person who organizes the Boston Chapter shoots.
We are indeed an anarchist (in the correct sense of the word) organization.
Wanna join? Repeat after me: "I'm a member of the Pink Pistols". Done. You're a member.
Wanna membership card? Download and print one from the PP website.
No chapter in your area? Start one (helpful hints available on the website)
While the main thrust (can I get away with saying that here? ) of our organization is spreading the joys of effective self-defence into the "sexual minority" communities (gays, lesbians, transfolk, BDSM, polyamorists, et. al.) We're also here because we like guns. Shooting them, talking about them, buying them, cleaning them (well sort of), and hanging out with like-minded souls.
We have a fair number of liberals in our ranks, but we've probably got more Libetarians and Anarchocapitalists in the ranks of active members.
We welcome anyone who's not so narrow-minded that they're afraid they'll catch cooties from us.
J.
I have the dubious pleasure of being a longtime friend of the PP founder and am currently the person who organizes the Boston Chapter shoots.
We are indeed an anarchist (in the correct sense of the word) organization.
Wanna join? Repeat after me: "I'm a member of the Pink Pistols". Done. You're a member.
Wanna membership card? Download and print one from the PP website.
No chapter in your area? Start one (helpful hints available on the website)
While the main thrust (can I get away with saying that here?
) of our organization is spreading the joys of effective self-defence into the "sexual minority" communities (gays, lesbians, transfolk, BDSM, polyamorists, et. al.) We're also here because we like guns. Shooting them, talking about them, buying them, cleaning them (well sort of), and hanging out with like-minded souls. We have a fair number of liberals in our ranks, but we've probably got more Libetarians and Anarchocapitalists in the ranks of active members.
We welcome anyone who's not so narrow-minded that they're afraid they'll catch cooties from us.
J.
Powderman
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Personally, I would be concentrating on my front sight too darned hard to even notice.
Besides, someone I admire a lot says: "He who is without guilt cast the first stone."
So, screw the bigots!! Y'all just go right on ahead and pop some caps.
tcdrennen
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RileyMc -
One here
One here
Big Gay Al
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One here. (CPL in Michigan)
Lazpash
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CHL Q
Let's see, that I'm AWARE of, in the COPP group we have ...
4 instructers (certified) I believe all but 1 have their CHL, she's in litigation w/the Franklin Co. Sheriff over him being a moron.
We've also Had I believe 7 folks take the class so far (OUR class) so I guess that's at LEAST 11. I'm waiting for EITHER PRO OR OFCC to offer their instructor's course (again) so I can kill 2 birds w/one stone
Oh and Lone_Gunman... Making GBLT friends 101:
Do NOT use the word "flaunt" UNLESS you just wanna tick folks off
Let's see, that I'm AWARE of, in the COPP group we have ...
4 instructers (certified) I believe all but 1 have their CHL, she's in litigation w/the Franklin Co. Sheriff over him being a moron.
We've also Had I believe 7 folks take the class so far (OUR class) so I guess that's at LEAST 11. I'm waiting for EITHER PRO OR OFCC to offer their instructor's course (again) so I can kill 2 birds w/one stone
Oh and Lone_Gunman... Making GBLT friends 101:
Do NOT use the word "flaunt" UNLESS you just wanna tick folks off
Gray Peterson
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WA CPL holder here. Had an OR CHL but the people at the Washington County Sheriffs don't do out of state license transfers, they want me to apply all over again and consider my OR CHL "invalid". Will be reapplying since they seem to be my best bet for a permit from there since I've already been licensed. Will be getting a Florida permit next, and I'm currently debating whether or not to get a Utah non-res or a Virginia non-res after FL. Going to persue all possible "mail in" permits first, and then go for ones in the east coast. Looks like the only permit I might have to make a trip for is "Rhode Island", and their court just declared the state shall issue.
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