Kel-Tec CP33 / 33 round capacity .22 LR pistol

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Well, I didn't see this coming. Looks like another fun gun and cheaper to shoot than the PMR30. :cool:

"The new CP33™ pistol quickly makes competitive shooting no contest. It takes the optic and suppressor host game to the next level, turning long range targets into short range bullseyes. 33 rounds per magazine, and fiber optic sights adjustable for elevation and windage make the CP33 the complete package."

https://www.keltecweapons.com/pistols/cp33/

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2019/01/jeremy-s/gun-review-kel-tec-cp33/
 
I haven't seen a quad-stack magazine design in anything except some SMGs. It looks like a neat idea, but I wonder if this will be like the rest of their guns in terms of availability. If I can find one for a reasonable price I might get one for a dedicated .22 silencer host.
 
someguy2800 said:
I was quite suprized that the video review of it said the trigger is actually good.

Well, if it shares some of the PMR-30s internals (i.e., a similar trigger design), it probably does have a very good trigger. If all Keltec guns had triggers like the PMR-30 (which I have and love) and, I assume, the CP-33, the Ruger knockoffs wouldn't be so popular.

Keltec has come up with a lot of new designs in the past couple of years, and I hope they keep it up. Their newer guns seem to be paying more attention to how the guns look, too, so they may eventually might not be the UGLY ducklings of the firearm industry.
 
This is why Kel-Tec is great; and yeah, I definitely want a CP33.
They also have a new entry into their KS-shotgun line -- the KS7.
 
How easy do PMR/CMR-30 magazines load?

My brother had a double stack 10/22 mag, and it was a real thumb buster. If this is anything like that, I wouldn't be interested.

It's good the new Keltecs have some parts commonality with their predecessors. I wonder if we'll see them on the shelf quicker than 5 years.
 
Too bad they could make it a little larger?:eek: It's not large enough when compared to .22WRM.:uhoh:
 
paulsj said:
Too bad they could make it a little larger?:eek: It's not large enough when compared to .22WRM.:uhoh:

We'll probably see a .22 WMR version in a year or two -- if this design more easily handles silencers than the PMR-30 design. (I don't know that to be the case.) The CMR-30 is also pretty popular, but Keltec isn't cranking them out fast enough.

I think these new designs are why we haven't seen much attention paid to their original designs (i.e., the P11, the P32, the P3AT and PF-9) -- Keltec is focused on some of their newer designs, including a high-cap shotgun which have gotten of a lot of praise from those who use them.
 
Kel Tec and Black Dog really need to get together and start making mags for the 22 AR conversions.
 
I think I'll get one, been wanting a super high capacity .22 pistol for a long time. This one isn't built for conceal carry tho, so I'll be keeping my Ruger SR22 and Taurus PT22. For a range plinker and maybe target/competition rimfire pistol, this Kel Tec is worth trying. The LONG sight radius, that's made longer with the overhang to the rear, should help make it easy to shoot with. Can't say the barrel will be as well made as a Buckmark, S&W Victory, or Ruger Mark, but it's not gonna be some cheap pipe you'd find on a Ring of Fire pistol.

Nobody is going to be able to keep them on the shelves, you'll have to check gun.deals every day to see what online retailer has them in stock. It's gonna take years for supply to meet demand, like the KSG. The market at the time of the KSG launch had been demanding a non NFA shotgun with a much shorter OAL and Kel Tec delivered; I believe the market has been demanding higher capacity .22's for a long time and Ruger came through with the 10/22 BX mags, but nobody's really delivered for pistols until now.

Now it's like what's next for Kel Tec to unveil? My thoughts are it's time to get into the revolver market and maybe bring back the Webley-Fosbery design.
 
Seems like a good option for steel challenge providing the magazines are reliable.

The triggers on the PMR have been really nice, at least on the ones I’ve tried.
 
Now it's like what's next for Kel Tec to unveil?

What's needed is something like a double-stacked SR22.
I think I'll get one, been wanting a super high capacity .22 pistol for a long time. This one isn't built for conceal carry tho, so I'll be keeping my Ruger SR22 and Taurus PT22. For a range plinker and maybe target/competition rimfire pistol, this Kel Tec is worth trying. The LONG sight radius, that's made longer with the overhang to the rear, should help make it easy to shoot with. Can't say the barrel will be as well made as a Buckmark, S&W Victory, or Ruger Mark, but it's not gonna be some cheap pipe you'd find on a Ring of Fire pistol.

Nobody is going to be able to keep them on the shelves, you'll have to check gun.deals every day to see what online retailer has them in stock. It's gonna take years for supply to meet demand, like the KSG. The market at the time of the KSG launch had been demanding a non NFA shotgun with a much shorter OAL and Kel Tec delivered; I believe the market has been demanding higher capacity .22's for a long time and Ruger came through with the 10/22 BX mags, but nobody's really delivered for pistols until now.

Now it's like what's next for Kel Tec to unveil? My thoughts are it's time to get into the revolver market and maybe bring back the Webley-Fosbery design.
I think the market needs something like an SR22 with double-stacked mags. Seems like small .22s holding ~20 rounds in reliable, factory mags are pretty rare.
 
How easy do PMR/CMR-30 magazines load?

My brother had a double stack 10/22 mag, and it was a real thumb buster. If this is anything like that, I wouldn't be interested.

It's good the new Keltecs have some parts commonality with their predecessors. I wonder if we'll see them on the shelf quicker than 5 years.

I would say, “poorly.” The instructions actually have you bang the mag on a flat surface after each round is inserted and you have to slide them in and turn them 90mdegrees (or I completely misunderstand the instructions, which is not unlikely). Having said that, after five years I finally got a PMR-30 and it is a lot of fun. I had toyed with the idea it would be a good carry gun for my oldest daughter, but ... no. Just no. I gave her a 340PD which she uses with .38 cal. Probably the PMR would be way better if she were to find herself in Hitchcock’s “Birds” but otherwise 5 rounds of .38 seems way more practical, though almost the same weight as 30 rounds of .22 WMR. Much more concealable and likely to function, too.

Anyway, a really fun gun. If I ever see one of these new ones I might buy one. Awfully odd looking, though, but waaay cheaper to shoot! Thanks for the pointer.
 
I load my pmr and cmr mags 5 rounds at a time then give the mag back a slap on my hand. This works fine for 25 rounds, which is what I load to. 26 thru 30 are harder. Loading to 25 makes it easier to keep track of ammo. Two mags per box. I've gone thru about 2500 rounds so far. It gets a little easier over time.
 
Thunderchicken said:
I would say, “poorly.” The instructions actually have you bang the mag on a flat surface after each round is inserted and you have to slide them in and turn them 90mdegrees (or I completely misunderstand the instructions, which is not unlikely).

Not unlikely -- it happened.

You not only misunderstand the manual, you claim it says things that aren't in the manual.

The PMR-30 is a magazine designed to handle RIMMED rounds, and darned few magazines do that well with more than 10 rounds! Rim lock is a concern with .22 cartridges. Because of those rims, most 22 magazines are somewhat diagonal, a technique that makes it easier to avoid rim lock. Those magazines are not straight like the PMR-30 magazine.

Here are the instructions, straight from my PMR-30 magazine. Not nearly as complicated or convoluted as you claim.

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They say "after loading about 5 rounds lightly tap the magazine against a flat surface with each 5 rounds", but I've found that you can do it less often without problems. No mention of having to turn the rounds 90 degrees, or even turning them at all. You simply push the cartridge straight down and back. Nothing else.

It's not hard. It works if you just follow the instructions.

I didn't really pay attention to the magazine loading instructions my first times out. Like many gun owners, I sometimes think "I don't need no stinkin' manual." But, if you try to position the rounds to one side or the other -- which just seems logical -- you have problems. That what I did at first and that's what caused the problems. When I finally read the manual and did what it said to do, I no longer had problems.

I use the 33-round Glock mags with my Kel-Tec Sub2000, and my son uses 30-round MPX mags with his SIG MPX. I've found that it doesn't take any longer to load the PMR-30 magazine than it does to load 30 rounds into a Glock 33-round mag or the MPX 30-round mag (both designed to work with 9mm rimless cartridges.)
 
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