Trade show workers arrested after weapons theft in Las Vegas at the SHOT Show

"Both men were released on their own recognizance"

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Yet guns are the problem... ***?

another article on the same.
https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime...ed-with-stealing-guns-from-shot-show-1596627/

Aim1 said:

Didn’t realize firearms at the SHOT Show had to have their firing pins removed. Interesting.

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Probably don’t want to take the chance of someone dropping a round oh the chamber. It would be a good opportunity for an anti-gun activist to give bad press to the show

Had an incident at a local gun show where someone slipped a round in a 30/06 rifle. Someone else later picked up the rifle. Didn’t check the chamber Ended up being fired. No one was injured but every gun after that required a zip tie to prevent that

Years ago I setup for trade shows, never guns but everything from farm equipment to computer stuff. Tear down is a pretty crazy business. I would think that there would be controls on this kind of thing, but laptops coming up missing, to entire tractors happens. you think how could someone miss a tractor.....well in tear down if you have 5 trucks there, and one gets loaded off he goes....there is usually not enough space around for people to hang out and count this and that....so perhaps Fred has the Kubota on his truck and he already left (this was pre cell phone days). If you have a box full of guns, and you have a monkey that takes one here and there you are not going to know till you get back and do inventory.

I can see it but would think a show like this would have more oversight.

I will not tolerate innuendo. Y'all been warned.

"Both men were released on their own recognizance, though U.S. Magistrate Judge Nancy Koppe restricted them from possessing weapons while out of custody."

What more needs to be said...the judge put the problem right out there, ready for comment.

didn't a tractor trailer full get stolen there last year.

bikerdoc said:

I will not tolerate innuendo. Y'all been warned.

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What in the hell does this even mean?

Yeah the forklift drivers where I work are that stupid.
Who steels a bunch of machine guns and silencers and gets released on no bond?

Have worked many trade shows over the years, Atlanta, Las Vegas, Chicago, and do so each year. We've had flat screen TV's and lap tops stolen from time to time. The Unions that set up and tear down literally control those convention centers. You would think there would be 24 hour camera surveillance in the convention halls to catch thieves....somehow there never seems to be footage of your missing items. We had to post our own people to follow booth items from tear down to getting loaded in the trucks.

I'm not surprised this happened, but I am scratching my head wondering why the vendors didn't keep a better eye on their merchandise, especially firearms. From what I've seen most vendors can't wait to head to the bars and airports after a show, leaving their merchandise in the trusting hands of unknown people.

JohnKSa said:

It means that if your post was deleted, or if you think it's witty to try to twist this topic in a direction that obviously isn't THR; it won't be tolerated.

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I guess I didn't see what got deleted and that's why the post made no sense to me

jonnyc said:

"Both men were released on their own recognizance, though U.S. Magistrate Judge Nancy Koppe restricted them from possessing weapons while out of custody."
What more needs to be said...the judge put the problem right out there, ready for comment.

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...federal agents recovered more than 60 pistols, rifles, machine guns and silencers at their homes...
And yet Foster has been charged with four weapons counts, including theft. Limon faces two counts. More than 60 stolen firearms, including NFA and just 4 and 2 charges. What gives?!

Theft from trade shows of all kinds is common. Most times it does not make the news. A pallet of auto parts, or baseball caps missing from a trade show? Not newsworthy. Pallet of guns? That will make the news.

At the end of trade shows deals are made. Batches of things get sold for cheap. Pallets of things get sold and traded. Everyone is packing up, marking up,loading up and forklifts are moving.

There aren't many details in the story so what's to say/

Robert said:

Y'all are missing the big picture. They are working for someone. Put them back on the streets and see where they go and who they talk to. There may be much more at play here than two idiots ripping off Shot Show.

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Given the success of Fast and Furious I'm not sure I'd advocate for that so quickly.

All those folks at truck-stops selling out of their vans gotta get their inventory from someplace! Sheesh, can't even make a dishonest living anymore!!

Let me put forth this "theory"...

Remember the Las Vegas bump stock shooter?....how law enforcement gave little to no information for over a year?...could it be that casinos and the Vegas business community pressure law enforcement to minimize these incidents because its detrimental to tourism and future convention bookings? Follow the money, who benefits and has the most influence wanting to control the narrative whether good or bad.

As someone who attended many a court hearing and acted as a bailiff in magistrates court I have been privy to many a bail/bond hearing. I don't know the particulars of the Nevada court system but I imagine most states are very similar. The magistrate will take in consideration several things. Does the defendant have a prior criminal history? If not a big plus for the defendant. Property owner? Yes, another plus. Gainfully employed and length of employment? I would imagine yes since both are Teamsters with attorneys that are probably provided through their union and know their way around the local courthouse. Family, bank accounts and even the bed space available in the local correctional center may be taken into consideration.
Agree or disagree, and to be sure it's not perfect, but it's what we have and it works, most of the time.

Alte Schule said:

Agree or disagree, and to be sure it's not perfect, but it's what we have and it works, most of the time.

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The only people it "works" on are those who have just enough money to pay fines & court costs, but not enough to hire a hot shot attorney who'll get them off. Middle class kid gets popped for drugs, it's gonna cost him/his family thousands. Some thug? Probably won't even be charged, since he has no money to feed into the system. Rich kid? His expensive lawyer who spends rec time with ADAs and judges will charge a fortune, but the courts will let him go with little more than a slap on the wrist, if that.

The short sentences, early releases & recidivism rates speak for themselves, as does the fact that well off folks seldom do any real time.

In this case, we've got a couple union boys who are guilty of grand larceny and over 50 felony NFA violations, get released on PR. Meanwhile, some average Joe who never really did anything bad but happened to get caught with a shotgun a few inches too short is gonna spend a few months in jail followed by years of probation and spend thousands in fines & court costs.

Our legal system is badly broken. These two should spend the next 20 years minimum in club fed, but they'll probably get community service and probation.

748 said:

Yeah the forklift drivers where I work are that stupid.
Who steels a bunch of machine guns and silencers and gets released on no bond?

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People smart enough to have good lawyers.

Scoutino said:

...federal agents recovered more than 60 pistols, rifles, machine guns and silencers at their homes...
And yet Foster has been charged with four weapons counts, including theft. Limon faces two counts. More than 60 stolen firearms, including NFA and just 4 and 2 charges. What gives?!

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My completely uneducated guess is that all the firearms seized weren't necessarily stolen.