No More Glocks!

Every summer I shoot in a traveling steel league. The competition is actually fairly stiff, most of the top shooters in the league are also top area SCSA, USPSA, IDPA or ICORE shooters. The league is viewed as a sort of practice opportunity with a bonus prize table pick. In 2018 the winner of production division shot a G34. There were no shortages of Sigs and a few Kimbers so I conclude it is the man behind the controls as much as the controls behind the controls.

mdThanatos said:

I am not a Glock fanboi. I have two, and plan to get at least one more. I have had others in the past and sold the ones I didn't like. To me they work, and are affordable. I also have Smiths, Berettas, and CZs. All of my handguns except for my Shadow 2 and a 1911 were much more affordable than a base model P226, which is why I don't have any Sigs. If I could find one at the price I got my Berettas I would jump on it but until then I won't be down with the Signess.

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Well, the 320 series is Glock priced so that's about average.

Plus there are still piles of 226 and 229 police trade ins for less than $500, some less than $400, some even in 9mm (and not .40 like most are).

I keep feeling like I need to snag another 226 before the run is over. Kinda like I wish I had grabbed another 225 or two when the European trade ins were all over for $300-350

I shot a Glock 19 once........

thomas15 said:

Every summer I shoot in a traveling steel league. The competition is actually fairly stiff, most of the top shooters in the league are also top area SCSA, USPSA, IDPA or ICORE shooters. The league is viewed as a sort of practice opportunity with a bonus prize table pick. In 2018 the winner of production division shot a G34. There were no shortages of Sigs and a few Kimbers so I conclude it is the man behind the controls as much as the controls behind the controls.

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Sure, it is well established that lots of great shooters like shooting Glocks and do it darn well. (Shrug) What I don’t get is you could have any gun you wanted and as short and crisp a trigger as is made. Why would you pick a Glock for competition? Just like a double action revolver, those guys are winning in spite of the gun, not because of it. I take my hat off to them.

Michael A Ferber said:

I just prefer Sig Sauer for their quality of materials, excellent construction, and attention to detail. View attachment 829693

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I've never heard middle eastern MIM parts described as quality materials.

I felt the same way for a long time. When I was going through some advanced training in the army in the 80's and Glocks were new, we were convinced that they were a fad that would end as soon as they start blowing up. During my time in the army, I was issued several different sidearms at different times. At one point, I was even issued a Sig 228 (M11), and I loved it. It really hurt me to have to let it go and get the M9 back. Late in my career, Glocks were introduced to us. In the meantime, between training with other units/agencies, as well as deploying with other allied forces, I noticed that their Glocks just kept working. They rarely broke and were easy to fix when they did. I have been almost exclusively a Glock user for the last 13 years, for just about all purposes requiring a handgun. That's why I like them. They work for me. And I will never be as fast or as accurate as Rob Leatham with a 1911 or XD, or as AMU shooters with their Berettas. But Glocks work for me.

JR24 said:

I keep feeling like I need to snag another 226 before the run is over. Kinda like I wish I had grabbed another 225 or two when the European trade ins were all over for $300-350

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One can never have too many Sigs. I only have two and I feel way light.

mdThanatos said:

but until then I won't be down with the Signess.

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I see what you did there! I’ve had quite a bit of trigger time with the Gen 4 19 and 26. And while I like them and shot them quite well, there are others that I’d choose first. Maybe someday I’ll add a 19 or 26 to what I have. But like I said in my earlier post, here are a couple others that I’m jonsing for.

L8R,
Matt

I’ve pretty much come to the conclusion that, other than they don’t make a .22LR, there isn’t much a Glock of one moder or another can’t do for me. In public, I generally carry a G26 or a G19 unless I want something smaller, and then it’s a Shield (until I get my G43X). In the woods, my G23 or G21. I’m up to 9 at this point...my wife thinks they breed in the safe.

I shoot them all pretty well...I trust them all to shoot whatever ammo I feed them right out of the box, and while I’ve bought a bunch of replacement mag springs, I’ve never needed to change a single one yet. I used to change my recoil springs too...just because someone said to...I quit that too. Waiting for some sign of trouble fron ANY of my Glock’s...none yet. Some have only a couple thousand rounds through them...a few have over 10K rounds. My first Glock, a G23, has over 28K rounds with only one hiccup...a “kaboom” while shooting reman ammo at around 5K round point. Bought a fully supported barrel from KKM and not another malfunction of any kind.

I have a couple XD’s and Shields that have also been boringly reliable as well, but as long as Glock offers their Blue Label pricing, I’m gonna keep buying them. They are ridiculously easy to completely tear down to raw parts and clean and maintain. OEM replacement parts are cheap to buy (I have spare parts on hand...but they sit in my workbench gathering dust). Aftermarket parts are plentiful and widely available. Magazines are priced well too.

I enjoy shooting my Beretta and 1911 from time to time, but neither is anywhere close to a “go to” gun for me. I toyed with the idea of branching out to a Sig, but decided if I ever fill my “DASA itch, it will likely be with a CZ”

Just my $0.02 that you got for free, on an internet gun forum.

YMMV.

Glock could probably entice me with their long rumored/way overdue carbine- if it is less cheesey than the Beretta CX.

I own Glocks, I also carry Glock, but (to me at lest) it is just a tool. They are functional, easy to shoot, relatively easy to carry, and reliable but as alluring as a mud brick. When I chose to open my safe to show some of my guns unless specifically ask about the Glocks are not among them.

NIGHTLORD40K said:

Glock could probably entice me with their long rumored/way overdue carbine- if it is less cheesey than the Beretta CX.

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Why not get the Ruger ?

For some reason, I cannot deal with the front strap on traditional Glocks. It hurts so much, and the harder I squeeze, the worse it hurts. It's the worst when I use the method of "sqeeze front-to-back with strong hand, squeeze side-to-side with support hand". But XDm and SIG P3250/320 feel fine.

Recently, I found that Glock 42 worked great for me. It is much different from its big brothers.

I have a few. Not my favorites to shoot....I just don't center my shots well with them. That being said, I just picked up a 48 and I do think it's kind of cool. Haven't shot it yet though.

I recently sold all four of my Glocks. As Hertzer said, they are tools. Good tools, but no more than that. They have no soul.

As I approach my final years, "soul" has become more important to me, and so I now carry and shoot my 1911s and Smith revolvers almost exclusively. They bring me greater peace and contentment.

And at my age, that is important.

BOARHUNTER

Several years ago I bought a Glock 17 to see what all the hype was about. I like shooting it at the range out behind the house. It never goes any place else.

My main self defense gun is an HK P30SK. It has the features that I prefer.

The only Sig's that I have are 1911 style pistols.

Shoot whatever floats your boat and be happy.

Glocks and 1911s are my top 2 preferences for handguns. I like a consistent trigger pull from one shot tot he next. I really have a hard time making the DA to SA transition of Sig and Berettas.

Balrog said:

Glocks and 1911s are my top 2 preferences for handguns. I like a consistent trigger pull from one shot tot he next. I really have a hard time making the DA to SA transition of Sig and Berettas.

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Yes, controlled pairs would be very weird with a DA/SA gun. But let me mention I did notice while shooting my Ruger SR9 the other day that riding the reset for successive shots after the first one made the striker gun act very much like a DA/SA one. In order to get the consistent trigger you prefer, you would have to eschew riding the reset and settle for the longer pull all the time. And on the contrary I so look forward to getting past the first shot with the SR9 so that I can get to the more SA-like trigger feel. No doubt about it, bottom line I am a 1911 guy.

rpenmanparker said:

Sure, it is well established that lots of great shooters like shooting Glocks and do it darn well. (Shrug) What I don’t get is you could have any gun you wanted and as short and crisp a trigger as is made. Why would you pick a Glock for competition? Just like a double action revolver, those guys are winning in spite of the gun, not because of it. I take my hat off to them.

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I competed in 3 gun. My Glock 34 with WOTG trigger was more than adequate for the task. The reason I chose Glock at all is because they were and are still heavily "imprinted" on me. Meaning, it was the handgun I used at the tail end of my time in the military, and after as a contractor (19 and 17), my HD/CCW pistol (several 19's), and my hunting sidearm (23 and 21).

zaitcev said:

For some reason, I cannot deal with the front strap on traditional Glocks. It hurts so much, and the harder I squeeze, the worse it hurts. It's the worst when I use the method of "sqeeze front-to-back with strong hand, squeeze side-to-side with support hand". But XDm and SIG P3250/320 feel fine.

Recently, I found that Glock 42 worked great for me. It is much different from its big brothers.

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That area can be modified with emory cloth or the grip can be covered with a piece of bicycle tire inner tube

Boarhunter said:

As I approach my final years, "soul" has become more important to me, and so I now carry and shoot my 1911s and Smith revolvers almost exclusively. They bring me greater peace and contentment.

And at my age, that is important.

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Good thoughts here Boarhunter.

While I technically meet the age requirement of Senior I still work full time and intend to continue this practice for a while.

I'm not a old time handgun shooter, I've only been shooting them on a regular schedule for about 6 years. The last 3 or so I've really started to get serious and my thinking is it's now or possibly never if I want to have my day in the sun in any kind of competition arena. So for that reason this season I've really put in place some improved work-out routines.

When I first started with handguns it was Glocks. I went kicking and screaming into competitive revolver shooting. Basically all I shoot now are revolvers, they are fun, difficult and have so much character. My 1911 sees very little useage but I'm going to try to change that this summer. But as of the last month or so I have dusted off my Glocks and I intend to shoot quite a bit with them this year. As soon as the weather improves.

Balrog said:

Glocks and 1911s are my top 2 preferences for handguns. I like a consistent trigger pull from one shot tot he next. I really have a hard time making the DA to SA transition of Sig and Berettas.

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Add to that decocking before reholstering. More tasks to train on, and a real time-burner for a trainer working with new shooters trying to make them as proficient as possible.

rpenmanparker said:

Yes, controlled pairs would be very weird with a DA/SA gun. But let me mention I did notice while shooting my Ruger SR9 the other day that riding the reset for successive shots after the first one made the striker gun act very much like a DA/SA one. In order to get the consistent trigger you prefer, you would have to eschew riding the reset and settle for the longer pull all the time. And on the contrary I so look forward to getting past the first shot with the SR9 so that I can get to the more SA-like trigger feel. No doubt about it, bottom line I am a 1911 guy.

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Actually has not been my experience. Once I can ride the reset I find DA/SA just as easy as anything else to shoot, my 229 with SRT has a nice positive click with the reset that feels good, lighter than my Glocks but a bit more roll.

My issue with DA/SA is pulling the first shot about 2 inches low at 7-10 yards. Still good enough but annoying. The transition never bothers me, nor has it because, again, it feels like any other trigger.

Still, I agree and prefer a consistent trigger pull as a preference, SAO to be specific.

Traditionally, I've been a Glock hater. I handled some of the older generation models a few times back in the day and found them ergonomically unsuitable. And that's fine, as there are plenty of other pistols out there. I used to make the mistake of casually mentioning this on the internet and rabid Glockniks would just explode on me. I've been accused of attempting to fire the Glock like a cavalryman instead of adopting the correct tactical crouch and all kinds of other insane nonsense. That kind of stuff turned me completely off to Glocks, and that was that.

Except, with the unending hubbub about the Gen5 and 43x/48, I figured I'd at least check them out at the gun show if only to compare them to the competition.

And I didn't care for the Gen5. The Gen4 was ...surprisingly decent. The fingergrooves fit my hands great and without the "modular" backstrap, it didn't point high anymore (for me). I think the slab grip and square frontstrap make it feel at least a caliber larger than it is, but the Gen4 seems way better than the ones I remember. I think I could have actually bought a Glock years ago if it weren't for crazy people on the internet. Huh. I have a VP9 these days so I'm in no rush to get one, except now maybe a cheap police trade...

Or a 48. That 48, though, that 48 is downright tempting. I could see myself owning a 48. And it's looking like 15 round flush fitting aftermarket magazines are going to be a thing, which is pretty close to being exciting.

I’ve owned several Sigs. Never really loved any of them, so I sold them. Pretty much all Glock, CZ and Beretta for me these days with a sprinkling of S&W through the safe. Shoot what you like and like what you shoot.