CoalTrain49
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I don't know but I have.
I flame the .44 Special ....
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I don't know but I have.
CoalTrain49
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Nope. You will never exceed a 44 mag load with a 44 spl load using the same bullet and the same powder. The reason is the pressure will be too great in the Spl. If you don't believe me look in the Lyman 49th edition.
Using that manual lets look at the Keith 245 gr 429241 cast bullet and 2400 powder. That seems to be a fair comparison because the bullet is popular, 2400 works well in both cartridges and there is recent test data. Not something from a lab 60 years ago.
The max load for the Spl is 13.2 gr / 797 fps / 13800 cup
The starting load for the Mag is 18.5 / 1087 / 30300. The max load is 20.6 / 1248 / 37200
Now you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure this out. If you charge a 44 Spl case with 18.5 grs of 2400 you are most definitely on the verge of loosing some body parts amigo. That's going to put you around 21000 psi (from your own data) in a case designed for 16000 psi. Now I know this all looks great because you can actually get 1200 fps out of a 44 Spl. if you want to get wild and crazy. But you can also get 1500 fps out of a 44 mag if you want to work at 30% above the design psi. Personally I'd rather stick to modern load data and safe loading practices. But you do what floats your boat.
Does anyone ever wonder why old Elmer worked so hard to develop the 44 mag?
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35 Whelen
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Fella, you just don't get it. You keep dodging and dancing and changing directions. You're impossible to have a rational discussion with because you're more interested in being right than learning and I'm certain you spend more time pecking at a keyboard than behind a trigger.
35W
ETA- Elmer Keith did not develop the .44 Magnum. Go spend a few bucks and learn so you can discuss intelligently.
Mowgli Terry
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You need to load for an shoot your 44 Special More. My 624 looks exactly like a 629. For most of us, we got one or more 44 Magnums. We are well aware of the difference. I'd suggest you meditate on Craig's most recent posts. You can find loading data from other sources. It took me a nano second to find this pressure tested load.
44 Special +P: This data was worked up in a Model 24 Smith. Lyman 429421 w/17gr's of 2400 for 1214fps. . That load was described as 25000 pound or less.
To be in deep dung start quoting loading manual data to people who actually load the cartridge. Many of the heavier 44 Special loads were developed before that advent of the 44 Magnum. I'd suggest changing you user name.
Addendum: With the passing of years it is possible to become redundant. That loading data came from Loaddata. It was quoted in earlier post. The information appeared to be totally ignored
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CoalTrain49
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I didn't say he developed it. I said he worked hard to develop it. Remington developed it. I think a number of people reached the same conclusion at more or less the same time that a new cartridge and revolver needed to be made. Keith was in that group. The reason, just about everyone realized that the 44 Special wasn't a good candidate for a 240/1200 load. They had liability concerns even back in the 50's.
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35 Whelen
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Are you just making this stuff up??? I'm sorry, but you are profoundly misinformed (uninformed?) and it's impossible to have an intelligent discussion with you. Seriously, buy the book, read and learn something.
35W
CoalTrain49
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You don't use data from loading manuals? You should. Components change over time, especially powder. How do you think the data in those manuals got there? It got there by people testing loads with the components they sell. Any of the companies that make ammo, bullets or powder test their loads so you aren't the only one loading 44 Spl.
I know some of that data is from the 50's. That' exactly why I won't use it. You won't find any of that data in any of the newer manuals. Ever wonder why it's not in there?
No need to get your undies in a bunch and start insulting people because you don't have anything else to contribute.
P5 Guy
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S&W 696 and loads of hand loaded 44SPL have gone downrange.
CoalTrain49
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My mistake. Remington developed the cartridge. Ruger and S&W build firearms. But to deny that Elmer didn't have some input into the 44 mag would be bending the truth a bit.
Mowgli Terry
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You should not try to bully people who reload. You information sounds like bathroom reading of the gun rags.
CoalTrain49
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By who? Not by Saami. 44 Special +P is not a Saami spec.
Where did you get that?
I'm not trying to bully anyone. I'm just trying to get people who don't have a lot of reloading experience to realize that any time you start loading a cartridge above Saami spec your're looking for trouble. Can it be done, sure, lots of people do it. Ammo companies do it. Buffalo Bore does it with their Keith bullet but they only load it to 1000 fps. They also test their ammo in certain firearms and wave you off of the ones that might fail. The 44 Mag was the normal progression of cartridge development from the 44 Spl. If you want to load at 25,000 psi use the proper cartridge. Is that so hard to understand? How many other cartridges do you load at 30% over the pressure spec for that cartridge?
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Mowgli Terry
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Look, You need to get a life. You are a half note off beat on this topic. You have not shared one specific experience you have reloading this cartridge. For that matter loading any cartridge. You could not share what kind of firearm you were using.Your lack of sharing personal experience has been pointed out by several posters. It's not unknown for individuals to hang out in these forums running up the post count. These folks are semi-trolls doing what trolls do. I'd suggest you update the gun rags in your bathroom. You lack credibility and your are abrasive. I'm outta here.
CoalTrain49
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I load for 38 spl, 357 mag, 45 acp, 30 carbine, 9 mm and 223/5.56 currently. I've loaded for 44 spl in the past as I had two but don't have one at the moment. I might just pick up another one because I like the cartridge much more than 44 mag.
I load by the book. Sorry if you don't agree with that.
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Mowgli Terry
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Sorry, do not believe a word you say.
Personally, I have ONLY ever shot my own loads in my 44 spl. Mostly cause I’m cheap
Pic to lighten the mood of this thread... I’ve been carrying my converted 686 this last week
critter
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I just got a Ruger GP 100 in .44 Special with a 3" barrel. I love that thing! To each his own. BTW, I also own .44 Magnums.
dickydalton
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I did the forcing cone on my 24-4.
Mowgli Terry
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No doubt about it...how about your telling us about your handgun.
Me, for one.
I have more 44 Special revolvers than 44 Magnum revolvers. If I want wrist snapping recoil to penetrate a big block Chevy engine, I'll drag out the 460 S&W Mag.
I'm happy loading my 44 Magnum cases for my 44 Magnum revolvers with 44 Special level loads.
Ah, the joys of the reloading hobby.
Riomouse911
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I’ll be taking the GP100 to the range today... I’m trying out Eggleston 200 gr coated LFP over 5.5 gr of Bullseye/Starline/WLP just to see how they shoot.
Stay safe!
Stay safe!
Riomouse911
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I’ll say at 7 yards they do pretty damn well.
20 shots; 200 gr Eggleston “camo” coated bullet over 5.5 gr Bullseye, Starline, WLP.
Recoil was very mild, no “lead bullet” smoke when fired. I really like this combo!
Stay safe.
20 shots; 200 gr Eggleston “camo” coated bullet over 5.5 gr Bullseye, Starline, WLP.
Recoil was very mild, no “lead bullet” smoke when fired. I really like this combo!
Stay safe.
it's a heritage model case hardening by doug turnbull for smith wesson, i think it was made in the year 2000 it has a 6 1/2 barrel, those aren't the original grips shoots real nice
CraigC
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They look like the original grips.
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