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VAReloader · Mar 27, 2019

This is the first time this has ever happened to me, but I don't buy a lot of new brass either.
Pulled the trigger on my Ruger #1, little pop, no bang, primer pushed out a little.
I guess I'll get out a drill. LOL

murf · Mar 27, 2019

i'd send that picture to Hornady. they would get a kick out of that.

murf

Louca · Mar 27, 2019

Wow, strange. I have never ever heard of that happening to anyone! Was this the only case with no hole?

Jim Watson · Mar 27, 2019

Not common, but this isn't the only one.
I know people who prefer once fired cases that they know have worked once and can be expected to do so again.

.308 Norma · Mar 27, 2019

VAReloader said:
Pulled the trigger on my Ruger #1, little pop, no bang, primer pushed out a little.

Just out of curiosity, was it hard to get the spent primer out?

VAReloader · Mar 27, 2019

Louca said:
Wow, strange. I have never ever heard of that happening to anyone! Was this the only case with no hole?

Yes, that was the only one, I checked all my remaining cases, no more duds.

VAReloader · Mar 27, 2019

.308 Norma said:
Just out of curiosity, was it hard to get the spent primer out?

I was decapping and neck sizing after pulling the bullet and dumping the powder. Obviously, the decapping pin didn't work.

Not too bad, just used some vice grips.

Cemetery21 · Mar 27, 2019

I have a Remington 223 case around here somewhere like that. Somehow, I caught it before I primed it. Maybe it was back when I was deburring flash holes - pre-internet.
Only one I've ever seen and I've gone through quite a bit of new rifle brass over the years. It happens.
Found it.

ATLDave · Mar 27, 2019

murf said:
i'd send that picture to Hornady. they would get a kick out of that.

At least someone would... sounds like the OP experienced no kick at all. Ha!

Sorry.

Galil5.56 · Mar 27, 2019

And to think off center flash holed AMERC junk brass, for once has a rival!... ONCE.

Galil5.56 · Mar 27, 2019

Louca said:
Wow, strange. I have never ever heard of that happening to anyone! Was this the only case with no hole?

I recall reading in a very old Dillon Blue Press ad, where a round w/o a flash hole caused a competitor to lose, and that was one factor, inspiration for Mike to start making presses. My memory may be way off, but I *think* it's as I recall.

PWC · Mar 27, 2019

Why change it? Keep for odd things that happen.

Allen One1 · Mar 27, 2019

Collectors item, I would keep it as is. Not that my wife would be happy about it.

sparkyv · Mar 27, 2019

VAReloader said:
I was decapping and neck sizing after pulling the bullet and dumping the powder. Obviously, the decapping pin didn't work.
Not too bad, just used some vice grips.

Good thing you didn't bulldoze it and break your decapping pin!

fpgt72 · Mar 28, 2019

Yea I would keep it...just funny.

Never seen that but I have bought new ammo with the primer rattling around the box, all kinds of black magic bang dust in the box.

edwardware · Mar 28, 2019

VAReloader said:
I guess I'll get out a drill. LOL

Whatever you do, DON'T drill it. That is really cool, and you'll almost certainly never see another one.

VAReloader · Mar 28, 2019

Sent a photo and note to Hornady. They asked for the lot #, which I don't have because I had tossed the package several weeks ago.
At least they are interested.
I will keep it as an example of an oddity.
When I was neck sizing/decapping, obviously, it wouldn't, when I looked down in the case with a light and magnifier, it just looked smooth.
That's when I decided to pull the primer with pliers and discovered the lack of a flash hole.

alfsauve · Mar 28, 2019

Curious, so do you size new brass? Wouldn't the de capping pin have hit it then?

coondogger · Mar 28, 2019

This is not based on any statistical analysis, only my own experience. Which, of course is a study with an 'n' of one. But I've not had good experience with Hornady brass, particularly with the primer pockets. So no, I'm not surprised by this incident.

Legionnaire · Mar 28, 2019

alfsauve beat me to it. I run new brass through a full length sizing die, which would have found that case. I have found inconsistent neck tension in new brass, which is why I size.

Louca · Mar 28, 2019

Galil5.56 said:
I recall reading in a very old Dillon Blue Press ad, where a round w/o a flash hole caused a competitor to lose, and that was one factor, inspiration for Mike to start making presses.

How was it inspiration for Dillon to start making presses? Are you implying the competitor was using factory-loaded ammo? That begs the question of whether factory loaded ammo uses the same new brass that we can buy for reloading.

alfsauve said:
Curious, so do you size new brass? Wouldn't the de capping pin have hit it then?

I am thinking that, except for maybe the mouth, new brass is already sized as a factory round would be. Yes/no?

Galil5.56 · Mar 28, 2019

Louca said:
How was it inspiration for Dillon to start making presses? Are you implying the competitor was using factory-loaded ammo? That begs the question of whether factory loaded ammo uses the same new brass that we can buy for reloading.

Yes, as I remember (I think pushing 20 years ago when I read this) it was a factory round that had no flash-hole... Something too is welling up about it being in a foreign country (Italy?). Maybe this happening initially inspired Mr. Dillon at first to reload, and then to make his own equipment.

No flash hole I remember for sure - Exactly the circumstances, where, what it lead him to do exactly I am not sure. Think he also commented on other ammo issues as well in regard to competitive shooting, making a statement about the benefits of reloading your own over factory.

Galil5.56 · Mar 28, 2019

Galil5.56 said:
Yes, as I remember (I think pushing 20 years ago when I read this) it was a factory round that had no flash-hole... Something too is welling up about it being in a foreign country (Italy?). Maybe this happening initially inspired Mr. Dillon at first to reload, and then to make his own equipment.

No flash hole I remember for sure - Exactly the circumstances, where, what it lead him to do exactly I am not sure. Think he also commented on other ammo issues as well in regard to competitive shooting, making a statement about the benefits of reloading your own over factory.

Wow, Googled:

"Mike Dillon" "no flash hole"

And one of the results was from an American Handgunner .pdf copy from May/June 1984 had a Dillon RL-450 ad, which is what I mentioned... Kinda.

I was off by a continent, and the person was not Mike Dillon, rather was Ray Chapman stating what I write. I did not receive this magazine, but did receive Guns and Ammo during this time period. Here is a capture from that ad:

Galil5.56 · Mar 28, 2019

VAReloader said:
Sent a photo and note to Hornady. They asked for the lot #, which I don't have because I had tossed the package several weeks ago.

Do you recall country of origin?... Wondering if it's domestic, PPU/other. Thanks.

Louca · Mar 28, 2019

Galil5.56 said:
Wow, Googled: "Mike Dillon" "no flash hole"

Nice work Galil5.56. Great story!

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