First Flinter

I believe that's an Ultra- Hi flintlock Kentucky rifle made by Miroku in Japan. Not Spanish.

Some people here have mentioned that they bought their Ultra - Hi Miroku Kentucky flintlock rifle as a kit.
They may date back to the 1970's.

I have been waiting to see it Dave! Nice looking gun and I have no idea about it. Give us a shooting report when you can!

Moose in Alaska would die for it!

Jim

Not an ultra hi definitely Spanish likely an early CVA. Those were a low end gun with the two piece stock but they usually shot pretty well.

denster said:

Not an ultra hi definitely Spanish likely an early CVA. Those were a low end gun with the two piece stock but they usually shot pretty well.

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Denster, I still think that it's a Miroku because of the wide brass stock piece.
The Jukars had a thinner solid brass stock spacer.
The Miroku Kentucky percussion also had 4 groove rifling with a 1 in 66" twist are features that he can check for.
But anything is possible.
I found some photos of an Ultra-Hi Kentucky percussion: --->>> https://www.icollector.com/Reproduc...er-for-black-powder-only-S-N-5236-T_i26475433

Another: https://bid.auctionbymayo.com/m/lot...-34950-Ramrod-Octagonal-Barrel-Brass-Fittings

ShotgunDave said:

Thank you gentlemen. Is that a good thing? I know Miroku makes high quality guns. Should there be markings on it? I've looked everywhere but there aren't any. I'm going to take the stock off tonight and see if it's marked on the under side.

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Miroku made a Brown Bess that is very highly regarded.
Sears also sold some of the Miroku Kentucky percussion rifles that had a little extra embellishment on the lock.
They also made a Kentucky pistol kit and other rifles and kits over the years.

Would you believe . . . . .
https://www.muzzle-loaders.com/traditions-kentucky-rifle-kit-flintlock.html

ShotgunDave said:

Winner, winner, chicken dinner!

The only difference is the brass at the stock junction. Mine is a "clip" for lack of a better word. It slips over the wood of the stock. I saw one exactly like it on eBay. Maybe there were just a few variations of the kit.

I did take the rifle completely apart tonight. Under the wood, on the bottom barrel flat at the breech end, it is stamped "Spain".

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I stand corrected.

The only difference is the brass at the stock junction.

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Nope. The lock looks different too, but I can't see it up close in the link to the Traditions kit. It is an Ultra-Hi, but the barrel could be Spanish, as some of the Ultra-Hi stuff had Spain marked on the barrels. Ultra-Hi went with the cheapest options. I assumed Japanese because that's all I've seen for these, and yours looks nicer than a typical CVA kit. I say not CVA or Traditions. It's an Ultra-Hi, for sure. Whoever put that kit together didn't bother with the fake patchbox on the stock. I found this on a google search:

https://anewdayauctions.hibid.com/l...ultra-hi-kentucky-flintlock-rifle-kit--45cal/

I had a CVA back in the 70s. It was a kit. I remember the brass covering the two piece stock being a bit more toward the muzzle, but could be wrong. The lock looks like a CVA , and the ones with a bridle were good [ I believe that one has a bridle.] But on mine the barrel was just junk. The rifling was so bad I couldn't get it clean after a couple of shots. And it wouldn't group. Of course - there was so much fouling in it the patched round ball wouldn't hardly go down. Hopefully yours is much different. CVA made great strides in gun improvement.

Let us know how it shoots!