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Col. Harrumph

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Heh, I made a portmanteau of 'noob' and 'err'. The beware-the-cylinder-gap thread reminded me of another mistake I've seen. A middle-aged lady was at the firing line with a Colt Mustang and was obviously a new shooter. I watched her wrap her weak hand's thumb around the back of her strong hand, right behind the slide. Luckily I caught her (a stranger) in time and showed her how to hang onto her new pistol. She was about 10 seconds away from lacerating her thumb.

What noob mistakes have you saved a stranger from?
 
Every new shooter does that. I’ve gotten to the point I just let the problem solve itself.

I do t feel too bad about it if it’s family....
 
I was at the steel plate range at our gun club and there was an older lady being taught how to shoot by a lady who is a long time shooter there. She had a small 22LR pistol that she was learning to shoot with and every time she hit a plate she would go into this little dance. She would start jumping up and down waving her arms around. Twice we had to stop her and explain that it was dangerous behavior. First time for her shooting and she had a lot to learn. We did not discourage her and tried to help her out with proper gun handling. I think she picked most of it up.
 
I did that myself the first time I shot, except my thumb was vertical directly behind the slide. Lucky for me someone was there and caught me before I pulled the trigger. I am sure it would have been a broken thumb at least
 
Watched an ex-military friend take my 460 magnum and pull it toward his face like he was looking through a rear rifle sight. I yelled out and told him if he shot it like that it would hit him in the face. He is scary to shoot with, and I avoid him. His ignorance and poor safety habits is not reflective of his military service.

Looked over while my dad was shooting my Buckmark several years ago and he had his support hand holding the barrel up from underneath. I guess his hands were shaking a bit. I stopped him and showed him a proper grip, and told him if we were shooting revolvers that day we'd be on our way to the hospital.

Looked over at two young guys shooting an SP101 in 22. They were trying to keep their support hand index finger on the front of the trigger guard. I know some people still shoot that way, but on a small frame revolver the tip of your finger is mighty close to the B/C gap. They had a centerfire on the table for their next rented gun to shoot. I don't talk to folks I don't know or offer unsolicited advice unless I see something that could get someone hurt. I saw an injury coming, so I asked politely and respectfully if I could show them my observation. They were grateful I'd save them a burned finger.

Good times
 
Once I had a friend at the range with me - not a noobie. He braced against a support post for a pistol shot with his support hand fingers barely in front of the barrel. I didn’t yell out a warning and he got a muzzle blast burn. Painful but not injurious. I’ve always felt guilty. He has since passed on; sorry Bobby!

And when I take a new shooter to the range, for the first 50 to 100 rounds, I always watch their hands & not the target. Thumbs behind the slide is a natural grip for a non-shooter. I show them my thumb scar when I correct them. (I did it once when shooting weak handed. And I should mention that I only did it once!)

Next is “finger off the trigger” and “safety on” - depending on the gun, of course. After about 5 minutes, most folks get it. Then I watch the targets.
 
When I was a kid, the first time i ever saw a handgun fired that i remember the guy put his hand up there. Lost some hide. Lol. He died in a car wreck when he was 18, but i still remember that day. Almost positive it was a wartime 1911.
 
Mainly I see shooters turn up range with their gun in hand to talk to their friends. If it's an indoor range I sic the RO on them. If it's unsupervised then I go over and as politely as is possible, for me, try to teach range safety.
 
Heh, I made a portmanteau of 'noob' and 'err'. The beware-the-cylinder-gap thread reminded me of another mistake I've seen. A middle-aged lady was at the firing line with a Colt Mustang and was obviously a new shooter. I watched her wrap her weak hand's thumb around the back of her strong hand, right behind the slide. Luckily I caught her (a stranger) in time and showed her how to hang onto her new pistol. She was about 10 seconds away from lacerating her thumb.

What noob mistakes have you saved a stranger from?

My wife does not shoot autoloaders often.

When we practice I have to correct this very thing every time.

Shes pretty darned good with her wheelguns though.
 
Racking the slide on any semi-auto pistol with their trigger finger inside the trigger guard.

Racking the slide with the gun turned sideways.

Sweeping someone after they engage the “safety” and keeping their trigger in the trigger guard. “But the safety is on!!”

Shooting down and in front of them at the target on the ground ahead of them instead of placing the target in the middle of the berm. 50 yards away.

Shooting baseball sized flat rocks with .22’s.
 
Three things: Reminding folks to keep their finger off the trigger until ready to shoot. The other is with semi-auto pistol shooters who don't keep their support hand behind the cylinder when using a revolver. They forget about the blast from the cylinder gap. When teaching a newby, which I enjoy, I watch their hands and the gun, not the target.

Jeff
 
This older gentleman and his kids where shooting at the other end of the range. I loaned his daughter a cleaning rod to clear a jam. Before she took a single step back, the father put a .22lr round through his left hand.
Never point your weapon at anything you don’t intend to shoot.
 
I recall my former step-mom shooting trap with my Dad for the first time.. I was about 12 or 13 at the time and was sitting in a folding chair behind her as Dad operated the thrower out to our right. She fired his 1100 12 gauge at the clay and hit it... she also tossed the shotgun aside right after firing because the shell ejecting from the receiver freaked her out.

I have never forgotten seeing the shotgun levatating for a second or two about four feet in the air before falling onto the grass as the smoke from the clay drifted away... :what:. Needless to say that was her last shot.

As for spotting things like this before they happen? I’ve saved a few noober’s thumb-gashes over the years...

Stay safe!
 
The biggest mistake I see with inexperienced shooters is burning a lot of ammo sighting optics and not knowing how the optic works. Thus they never get on paper. Pointing their new carry pistol at me not being able to load rounds in the mag and not understanding how to make the weapon fire are mistakes I have seen as well.

Normally I will give some friendly advice if I see someone struggling. We want to get new shooters and keep them happy. It is good for the whole
 
One thing that I believe is very important to a new shooter and even an experienced shooter is to familiarize yourself with any newly acquired firearm. You should now how it operates, understand and use the proper ammunition in the firearm, know and understand the 4 rules of safe gun handling and know how to fieldstrip and reassemble the firearm before you ever go to your range and fire your firearm.
 
Where to begin. I generally don't interfere with other's mistakes who I am not training unless it is a safety issue for themselves or others, like unsafe gun handling or shooting steel with no eye protection.
 
SO MANY TIMES:

>New shooter
>Fires one shot with handgun at target 5 yards away
>Lowers handgun to waist level, pointing down at feet
>Squints at target looking at hole (or lack of same)
>Finger still on trigger
>Companion/teacher reminds them to keep their finger off trigger
>New shooter turns towards companion/teacher
>Gun goes right along with them, now pointed at companion/teacher's feet or stomach
>Asks "what?"

So. Many. Times.
 
Less severe, but more pervasive and longer lasting than some of the safety-violation examples given, is people simply being afraid of the gun. This is particularly true with handguns.

People struggle with racking the slide because they are afraid they will damage the gun if they grip it firmly, or that it will cut them if they grab it hard. They will take to heart the OP's point about not getting their hand directly behind the slide (solid advice), but become so fearful of the slide's motion that they simply cannot bring themselves to get an appropriately high grip with their firing hand, and won't come anywhere close to high enough with their weak hand. Similarly, people fear the recoil and many of them will simply not apply any pressure with the weak hand (even though this is where most recoil control comes from with modern/current pistol technique, they fear that a firm connection with the gun will wrench their wrist or elbow or something), which of course means the gun jumps around even more.

Handling the gun correctly requires the right balance of caution (muzzle and trigger discipline, primarily) and confidence. Similarly, firing the gun requires the right combination of firmness (positive grip) and neutrality (not pushing the gun around before it goes off). In many ways, the art of pistol shooting is about progressively narrowing the gap between those two extremes, doing as much of each without compromising the other as possible.
 
SO MANY TIMES:

>New shooter
>Fires one shot with handgun at target 5 yards away
>Lowers handgun to waist level, pointing down at feet
>Squints at target looking at hole (or lack of same)
>Finger still on trigger
>Companion/teacher reminds them to keep their finger off trigger
>New shooter turns towards companion/teacher
>Gun goes right along with them, now pointed at companion/teacher's feet or stomach
>Asks "what?"

So. Many. Times.

I am an RSO, and I would agree that I have seen similar situations many times. However, it is really the teacher's fault, since this reaction is so common that it should be expected.

When I work with beginning shooters, there are two steps I take to fix this situation. One step is to do dry fire drills until the student has some familiarity with muzzle control and keeping their finger off the trigger.

But the most important safety step with brand new shooters is to only give them one live round at a time. Single shot firearms are by far the safest for people who are unfamiliar with shooting. You can make any firearm into a single shot by only putting one round at a time into it. I don't give anyone multiple rounds until they have taken a few single shots, and I am sure that they will not react too strangely after the shot. Some people only need two or three single shots before they are ready for more. And other people do single shots for their whole first day. People can react to things differently, and I adjust the session according to the comfort of the shooter.

As an added bonus, loading single rounds into the magazine means that the first lesson includes lot of inserting and removing magazines, and checking that the gun is properly cleared. So these skills get repeatedly drilled in the first lesson. I think learning these skills on the first day is more important than hitting the target.
 
Make sure that they know how to decock a single shot safely too

Once upon a time there was an eleven or something year old who was hunting with a .410. At the end of the hunt he was told to drop the hammer on the firearm. Proceeded to brace it against his prize possession and dropped the hammer but his thumb slipped and thank God it wasn't a twelve guage.
 
Not a newbie but went out with a self-proclaimed cowboy tough guy. Hunted, shot skeet, big belt buckle, boots, put on drawl accent - the whole show.

Had a new Glock 23, crossed his thumbs and ran the slide over them for a nasty bleeder.
 
OK , I am not making this up. Honest. Picture this in your head.

Long ago in Vietnam, a new man showed up and proclaimed that he could fire a 1911 faster by "fanning" it than anyone EVER could by just pulling the trigger. :what: We tried to stop him. We warned him what would happen, but he insisted...... so we gave him a 1911 with a round in the chamber and the hammer down. We didn't tell him the magazine was empty. You guessed it, he got a broken bone out of the deal.

What you don't know can hurt you!!!!
 
A) poor trigger discipline-putting finger inside the trigger guard before ready to shoot
B) guy was struggling with a new to him PPK and did not know how the safety-decocker worked nor how to clear jams
C) decocking a revolver safely (as safely as it can be done)
A&C were family, B was a random guy at the range.
 
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