Assault rifle for small apartment/self defense?

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FWIW, I don't have to worry about over penetration but still opt for my 1911 & flashlight as my go to.
 
Another question if anyone knows is whether CorBon is still in operation and selling ammo. Their website has not been updated recently but the Glaser was the grandfather of most of the less penetrative ammo while still maintaining its ability to stop threats. Their PowrBall was similar and that was some of the most accurate ammo that I have ever fired in .357 Magnum. I would hate to think that they went under.
PowRball similar to Glaser Safety?

Sorry, no.

The benefit of the PowRball was that it would feed in some guns that had trouble handling normal hollow points since the ball approximated the pf ball ammo. I actually carry it in my Sistema 1927 that had difficulty with ammo that works with my modern pistols. Penetration is still there same as other HPs of the same weight.
 
PowRball similar to Glaser Safety?


Penetration is still there same as other HPs of the same weight.

No, it is not. Guntest among others has run penetration tests and it is not the same as hardball--it is less than a solid or even hollowpoint of conventional design. The Corbon 110 gr. hollowpoint had a greater penetration than did the powrball 100 gr. in .357 magnum despite relatively similar recoil and velocity.
Similar in my comment means that it is designed to expand without a hollowpoint-the Glaser was originally an updated shotshell aka snake round designed for less penetration of hard surfaces. Later ones, "To improve ballistic performance, a polymer-tipped round ball was introduced in 1987, and the current compressed core form was first sold in 1988. " https://infogalactic.com/info/Glaser_Safety_Slug

Notice the "polymer round ball tip" language in the preceding quote fwiw.
 
No, it is not. Guntest among others has run penetration tests and it is not the same as hardball--it is less than a solid or even hollowpoint of conventional design. The Corbon 110 gr. hollowpoint had a greater penetration than did the powrball 100 gr. in .357 magnum despite relatively similar recoil and velocity.
Similar in my comment means that it is designed to expand without a hollowpoint-the Glaser was originally an updated shotshell aka snake round designed for less penetration of hard surfaces. Later ones, "To improve ballistic performance, a polymer-tipped round ball was introduced in 1987, and the current compressed core form was first sold in 1988. " https://infogalactic.com/info/Glaser_Safety_Slug

Notice the "polymer round ball tip" language in the preceding quote fwiw.
Not to get in a spitting contest here, but the PowRball was not designed to be a minimal penetration round like the Glaser. Penetration is less than hardball, mainly as a result of weight. For example, most ball ammo in .45 is 230 grain, and PowRball is 185 (as used in my 1927). The Corbon 110 is very hot .357, and would be expected to have greater penetration than a bullet weighing 10% less, especially at lower velocities.

As you mentioned, Glaser was designed for less penetration, that was not a design factor for PowRball. PowRball was specifically designed to function in firearms that had trouble feeding hollow points.

I will let you get the last word, should you desire. Peace, out.
 
I'm in a house but I don't anticipate any targets farther than 50 yards. While I would feel perfectly well armed with any of my Sig pistols carrying a red dot or flashlight I went with an 11.5" AR-pistol which I later converted to a 10.5" AK-pistol. It carries both a light and a large Trijicon red dot.

Obviously I was talking about caliber. Here's what I got:

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https://www.hardenedarms.com/ecProduct_199_32--16" 7.62x39 AR15 Upper 10" HD Quad Rail

and it is working perfectly.

Yeah, but if you re-read the part of your post I bold/italycs-ed it doesn't read quite like you perceive as you referred to them by type (AR/AK) rather than chambering... may not be quite as obvious as you think, especially if it's a newcomer reading this. Hence the joke.
 
ak pistol's seemed more interesting to me then ar pistols but my only issue is how loud they are

They are both very loud, not sure if there is an appreciable difference and I always wear ear protection so I have not tried without. BTW, if you get good quality earphones you can have your ear protection on most of the time:

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"so I have not tried without."

yeah,mainly im talking about without.i guess the appeal of the pistol ar 15 and ak 47's to me is the fact they are smaller and would seem better in the terms of moving around with it in a small space then something big like a full size ar 15 or ak 47
 
Small apartment and long gun or shotgun may end up a wrestling match with a bad guy and shotgun in small apartment may not have much spread allowing you to miss , get some training see what you like and can shoot a well placed shot and practice,
 
A 223/5.56 rifle with softpoint ammo will penetrate LESS in building material than larger rifle rounds, handgun rounds or buckshot. But inside the home a handgun rules. At inside the home distances you may very well need a free hand and need a gun that can be used with one. The odds go up with a long gun that it could be grabbed by an intruder and made useless or even used against you.

A shotgun with is the last thing I'd use indoors. At those ranges there is no pattern to improve hit probability, recoil is 6X what you'd get with an AR (300 WM equivalent) and you have 1/6 the ammo available in a heavier, longer weapon. The shotgun is almost dead among LE and military for close range use. It's only advantage is relatively low cost, and with AR's at todays prices that advantage is small. Where a shotgun still has an edge is OUTSIDE at ranges between 15-50 yards where it's pattern makes it easier to hit moving targets. At less than 15, or greater than 50 it isn't even close, an AR wins.

Indoors I'd always reach for my handgun 1st, but an AR is nearby. I'm a big believer in having a light mounted on either.
 
I certainly won't argue that a shotgun is better than an AR but it's still a very viable tool for HD. For starters a pump or double is going to be legal in virtually every local that allows firearms at all. In some states/cities an AR is illegal or must be bastardized to the point where most of the virtues are eliminated (eg no folding or collapsing stocks, no standard capacity mags or even no removable mags, etc).

A shotgun also has an extraordinarily wide range of munitions ranging from bird shot to 1.25 oz slugs. For HD there's a good selection of Buckshot from #4 to 000 including reduced power loads that are still devastatingly effective with reduced recoil.

For home defense I keep a Bren 805 as my primary with an AR that I could access fairly quickly. I keep my Scorpion with an SB Tactical brace by the bed next to a sidearm. But if I wasn't able to have the Bren or AR then I would probably bump my Mossberg 500 up to primary.

I realize we're primarily talking HD in this thread but there's one situation where my Mossberg is the primary- camping and hiking. Here in Montana in the spring bears are always a concern. A 12 ga is one of the few firearms that's ideal for animals from rabbits and doves to large bears. Loaded with slugs my Mossy is a great thing to have by my side in the wild.
 
A 223/5.56 rifle with softpoint ammo will penetrate LESS in building material than larger rifle rounds, handgun rounds or buckshot.

what about something like this

https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/products2.cfm/ID/134564

because i dont know,the black ak 47's look cool to.but i think they usually take rounds that arent 5.56(i know people in the comments of the rifle of that website said it was discontinued,but i know they have black ak 47's still)
 
I guess I'll be different and say there ain't no way I would use a 223 or any other gun in that class for apartment defense. My choice would be a Ruger 10-22 with a 25 round BMX magazine. That should stop anyone you need to stop and not be nearly as prone to shooting through your neighbors walls but you still need to know that even a 22 will go through several sheets of sheetrock.

The best thing is the odds of you ever even needing a gun in an apartment are very slim to none.
 
Small apartment and long gun or shotgun may end up a wrestling match with a bad guy and shotgun in small apartment may not have much spread allowing you to miss , get some training see what you like and can shoot a well placed shot and practice,

This is one reason I mentioned putting yourself in a position, and preferably behind cover, where they come through a funnel rather than getting behind you. Don't open yourself up to that wrasslin match by running around playing swat ninja. Choice of weapon won't matter too much except for personal preference.
 
I would want a silencer to assault a small apartment.
Unfortunately it is inconvenient and expensive.
I doubt there are many in private hands for serious use, most seem to be range toys.
 
what about something like this

https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/products2.cfm/ID/134564

because i dont know,the black ak 47's look cool to.but i think they usually take rounds that arent 5.56(i know people in the comments of the rifle of that website said it was discontinued,but i know they have black ak 47's still)

OK, I seriously considered just letting this pass, but on the off chance someone is actually thinking this way...

I strongly recommend against getting a self/home defense firearm because it "looks cool". If you want something to shoot for fun, great! For serious work? No. You should be evaluating the operating characteristics of the firearm against the particular situation you want to use it in.

AK-47 'clones' (since "real" AK-47's are vanishingly rare in the US) are generally 7.62x39. Yes, I'm sure you can find something that looks more or less like an AK-47, with our without a black stock, that fires 5.56x45. If you've decided 5.56 is the right choice, you should next look at what else you expect from the firearm. Do you need a rail to mount a light? How about an optic? Can you readily use iron sights if the optic breaks? Can you maneuver the gun in *your* space? Will you be able to find training classes in your area? How reliable is it? How complicated is it to use? Does it "fit" you well? Will you be able to get spare parts for it? And on and on and on...
 
I wouldn’t use an assault rifle, I’d get a defense rifle....

as·sault
/əˈsôlt/
  1. 1.
    make a physical attack on.
de·fense
/dəˈfens,ˈdēˌfens/
  1. 1.
    the action of defending from or resisting attack.

    :)
 
Repetition over trivia. We are not clear that the OP has any indication that he has or will learn how to use the various and scattered, firepower - stopping power recommendations. Suggestion - get significant training and comparision evaluation of the various weapons. A specific gun is not a magic wand because it fires 3000 gr. 4000 fps marshmallows.

Closed - if the OP does get some real experience, we can reopen.
 
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