New Ruger Wrangler.... I'm confused

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BlueHeeler I tried to look up Treasure Coast, Fla and i didn't see it on the map program so I am guessing thats a refence to the Atlantic coast line and not a specific area. But looks like there are several wilderness ares and preserves. I would be talking to the guys at the gun stores or maybe a Fla state website for guys in florida that hunt. I bet you could find something like a shooting club or hunting club.

I guess I am fortunate that my bud has 40 acres that I can go shoot on whenever I want and he always shoots with me. There is always a friendly shoot off. Plus he has a 3/4 acre pond that needs the turtles thinned out ever so often. Sort of a Tx version of a Prairie Dog shoot. Lots of fun with the 22 caliber guns and open sights.
 
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Hawkeye posted on the Ruger Forum:

Just received this email in response to my inquiry . . .

"Thank you for contacting Ruger Customer Service."

"The grip frame is Zinc. The cylinder frame is Alloy Aluminum."

"Ruger Customer Service"

Also, Ruger had initially registered the name "Single-Six Wrangler" as a trademark:--->>> https://trademarks.justia.com/876/60/single-six-87660703.html
 
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ECVMatt said:
Tragically I am still in California....but getting ready to head east to get back west...The chain is Turner's Sporting Goods and I paid $179...just under 200 OTD. They are stating up to three weeks, but they are a huge Ruger dealer. The last one of these I did with them, we got our orders filled in about a week.

Either way I am fine. I have a few .22 pistols to shoot. I will admit that I bought solely on the grounds of fancy and novelty.

I look forward to a three way comparison of my friends Heritage RR, my Single Six, and the Wrangler.
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Never heard of Turners before. But that should be about the price we can expect to pay for them. Sounds good. And be sure and post the results of that 3 gun shoot off. And if you want to spot the Heritage 5-10 yards we are OK with that.:thumbup:
 
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the zinc grip frame probably makes the gun balance better in the hand. opinions on this subject would be interesting.

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I would be curious why Ruger took a inexpensive Budget Plinker and put a Cheriokote finish
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Hawkeye posted on the Ruger Forum:

Just received this email in response to my inquiry . . .

"Thank you for contacting Ruger Customer Service."

"The grip frame is Zinc. The cylinder frame is Alloy Aluminum."

"Ruger Customer Service"

Also, Ruger had initially registered the name "Security-Six Wrangler" as a trademark:--->>> https://trademarks.justia.com/876/60/single-six-87660703.html
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Thanks for that Ratshooter, I doubt it will calmthe waters. Regardless, it is what most of us thought along. And IMO no big deal.And it actually makes sense. Probably adds a liitle more weight?

I would be interested to hear from Ruger why they choose a Cherakote finish for a inexpensive Budget Plinker. And since I do not know much about Cherokote, I wonder if there are different grades or quality?
Obvious Ruger is moving into the direction of Budget guns. When they went from the LC9S down to the LC9, they put on a cheap finish. No surprise, they are trying to save money and the bottom line. It would seem they would have put a finish on the Wrangler like the SR22? Which I think is rather nice. Ruger also phased out the well built SR9 series. Seems they are phasing out a lot of the great products for budget guns. Makes me wonder if they plan on phasing out the Single 6 as well especially since it will be called the Wrangler Single Six. Who knows. I never thought they would have discontinued the SR9 like the SR9C I own. Now there is nothing to replace one with,

I did go to my local Smith who has a guy that does Cherakoting and they were quick to point out that the finish will wear off eventually. I don't think it is something for me. I do want to send a gun up to Robar eventually and have a nice job done on one of my special carries.
I do not own a Single Six, so how well is the Bluing on that gun? I do own a Blackhawk which is fairly nice. Why didn't Ruger just do a good bluing job on he Wrangler rather than cherokote?
 
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Jeb Stuart said:
I would be curious why Ruger took a inexpensive Budget Plinker and put a Cheriokote finish


Thanks for that Ratshooter, I doubt it will qualm the waters. Regardless, it is what most of us thought along. And IMO no big deal.And it actually makes sense. Probably adds a liitle more weight?

I would be interested to hear from Ruger why they choose a Cherakote finish for a inexpensive Budget Plinker. And since I do not know much about Cherokote, I wonder if there are different grades or quality?
Obvious Ruger is moving into the direction of Budget guns. When they went from the LC9S down to the LC9, they put on a cheap finish. No surprise, they are trying to save money and the bottom line. It would seem they would have put a finish on the Wrangler like the SR22? Which I think is rather nice. Ruger also phased out the well built SR9 series. Seems they are phasing out a lot of the great products for budget guns. Makes me wonder if they plan on phasing out the Single 6 as well especially since it will be called the Wrangler Single Six. Who knows. I never thought they would have discontinued the SR9 like the SR9C I own. Now there is nothing to replace one with,

I did go to my local Smith who has a guy that does Cherokoting and they were quick to point out that the finish will wear off eventually. I don't think it is something for me. I do want to sent a gun up to Robar eventually and have a nice job done on one of my special carries.
I do not own a Single Six, so how well is the Bluing on that gun? I do own a Blackhawk which is fairly nice. Why didn't Ruger just do a good bluing job of he Wrangler rather than cherokote?
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The reason Ruger is hitting the budget gun market so hard is that is what the average consumer wants. A Glock is now $500+ for what should be a $300 gun. The S&W SD pistols outsell the MP series. Why? They shoot the same ammo at a much lower cost. The average person buying a pistol will never shoot 1000 rounds through it, they don't care that the trigger is gritty. They just want something that goes bang when they pull the trigger.
 
The Single Six, coming with the .22 Mag cylinder, has a barrel that's slightly too large for best accuracy with the .22 LR.
 
Texas10mm said:
The reason Ruger is hitting the budget gun market so hard is that is what the average consumer wants. A Glock is now $500+ for what should be a $300 gun. The S&W SD pistols outsell the MP series. Why? They shoot the same ammo at a much lower cost. The average person buying a pistol will never shoot 1000 rounds through it, they don't care that the trigger is gritty. They just want something that goes bang when they pull the trigger.
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I agree with what you are saying. If you are not going to use it, why pay more. Obviously the market of new shooters do want cheap guns. But things change. Will this also change their image? The manufacturer now known for cheap budget guns? That was not the image I have known For Rugers for my whole shooting life.
What if the market changes, and people want to go back to tough quality guns at a affordable price. Will the new Image stick, will they be able to recover? Just asking.
 
Because you can't blue aluminum or zinc, only steel.

My LC9S is matte blued, just as they've always been. The "S" model came after the LC9.

I already ordered two of them this afternoon. As I said, as long as the receiver isn't zinc, I'm not too worried about it. My hesitation about them being zinc was specifically because the information came from RealGuns. As I've already repeated, they've been wrong before and got belligerent when I pointed it out. The zinc grip frame should be easily replaced with an aluminum take-off, of which I already have several.

Far as I can remember, Ruger has extended their catalog into previously untouched corners of the market. I can't think of a single instance where they introduced a budget-priced model and then discontinued its higher priced counterpart. Someone will mention the 77-series but they have always been poor sellers and the last few years, way more expensive than they should be. So this notion that they will now discontinue the Single Six is laughable at best.
 
Jeb Stuart said:
I agree with what you are saying. If you are not going to use it, why pay more. Obviously the market of new shooters do want cheap guns. But things change. Will this also change their image? The manufacturer now known for cheap budget guns? That was not the image I have known For Rugers for my whole shooting life.
What if the market changes, and people want to go back to tough quality guns at a affordable price. Will the new Image stick, will they be able to recover? Just asking.
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Just look to the rifle market. It's pretty much separated into $300 rifles and everything else. Ruger still builds the Hawkeye but the sales are in the American. I hate to break it to ya but Ruger WAS the budget leader for many years. Their whole focus was/is to build it better and less expensive. Starting with the Ruger Standard to the Maverick.

Blackhawks were always less expensive than the Colt SAA, the Standard/Mark were less expensive than the High Standards and the Colt Woodsman, The Ruger DA revolvers were always less expensive than the Colt and S&W revolvers.

Sure they had the #1 & #3, but who else was building a falling block? They dabbled in O/U shotguns and those were less expensive than most other quality shotguns on the market.

If a company doesn't adapt to the marke they go out of business. If the consumer wants "budget" guns someone is going to build them.
 
Texas10mm said:
The Single Six, coming with the .22 Mag cylinder, has a barrel that's slightly too large for best accuracy with the .22 LR.
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No it isn't. I have written about this several times before so this time I just copied and pasted what I wrote on another forum where someone else said the same thing.

There is no compromise in the bore size. The bore should be .224 the same as a 22 mag bullet. I have measured several 22LR bullets and haven't yet found one that measured .223. They all measure from .224 to .226. So in reality most are slightly oversized. But don't worry they will slug down to fit. And if there are any .223 LR bullets the lead is soft enough to slug up to fit. I don't think people realize just how small .001 really is. Most human hair will measure between .002 and .003. just to give you an idea.

I just measured a piece of yellow note pad paper. It came out .004. So you are talking one forth the thickness of a piece of paper. There is nothing to worry about.

If your single six is letting you down its either your shooting or your ammo choice. I have done this and it was an eye opener. Get around 10 different 22 loads and go shoot them at targets with a good rest. Clean between each group of different ammo and fire a couple of fouling shots then shoot several groups with each brand of bullets. It takes a while to do this but it will show you what ammo YOUR gun likes. And don't be surprised if its not the most expensive or target ammo. Twenty two's are picky as hell when it comes to ammo.
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I hope all you early adopters who are scrambling to pre-order without seeing, holding, or reading anything other than gun shills reporting aren't disappointed.

I sincerely wish you good luck.

I'm a little surprised, this is usually a pretty pragmatic group. Now it seems it's more like... .
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Well at least one thing has happened. It made me pull out my heritage, and get both cylinders and ammo to get ready for the next range day. So it has sparked some enthusiasm to shoot these fun toys. And every time I look at that Birds Head I pictured the more I want one. The only one I saw on line had a pink grip. Seems they sell fast. Might just get the Pink and purchase a Altamount Grip.
 
CraigC said:
I already ordered two of them this afternoon. As I said, as long as the receiver isn't zinc, I'm not too worried about it. My hesitation about them being zinc was specifically because the information came from RealGuns. As I've already repeated, they've been wrong before and got belligerent when I pointed it out. The zinc grip frame should be easily replaced with an aluminum take-off, of which I already have several.
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I'm not worried about it either. As I previously mentioned, I owned A J.P. Sauer and Sohn .22 revolver that I picked up third-hand around 1972.
It was probably made in the 1960s and had fired many rounds. It was used for 6 years or so by my family. The whole revolver was zinc or zinc-aluminum alloy, except for a steel barrel liner, steel cylinder liners, the internal parts, and the wooden grip. It was actually a pretty nice looking gun that was a full-size clone of a Colt SAA. I replaced a broken trigger/bolt spring after a few years, but that's to be expected for a flat spring.
Only the zinc cylinder notches showed any significant wear after all that time and it was still quite usable. It's really all about the composition and the quality of the zinc alloy used.
The Wrangler of course has a steel cylinder, and I would expect that it will outlast the Sauer.
 
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Jeb Stuart said:
Well at least one thing has happened. It made me pull out my heritage, and get both cylinders and ammo to get ready for the next range day. So it has sparked some enthusiasm to shoot these fun toys. And every time I look at that Birds Head I pictured the more I want one.
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It's a good thing that Heritage is producing the "Rough" Rider with a birds head grip.
At this point it's about the only reason that anybody has left to buy one. :D
 
Jeb Stuart said:
I would be curious why Ruger took a inexpensive Budget Plinker and put a Cheriokote finish


Thanks for that Ratshooter, I doubt it will calmthe waters. Regardless, it is what most of us thought along. And IMO no big deal.And it actually makes sense. Probably adds a liitle more weight?

I would be interested to hear from Ruger why they choose a Cherakote finish for a inexpensive Budget Plinker. And since I do not know much about Cherokote, I wonder if there are different grades or quality?
Obvious Ruger is moving into the direction of Budget guns. When they went from the LC9S down to the LC9, they put on a cheap finish. No surprise, they are trying to save money and the bottom line. It would seem they would have put a finish on the Wrangler like the SR22? Which I think is rather nice. Ruger also phased out the well built SR9 series. Seems they are phasing out a lot of the great products for budget guns. Makes me wonder if they plan on phasing out the Single 6 as well especially since it will be called the Wrangler Single Six. Who knows. I never thought they would have discontinued the SR9 like the SR9C I own. Now there is nothing to replace one with,

I did go to my local Smith who has a guy that does Cherakoting and they were quick to point out that the finish will wear off eventually. I don't think it is something for me. I do want to send a gun up to Robar eventually and have a nice job done on one of my special carries.
I do not own a Single Six, so how well is the Bluing on that gun? I do own a Blackhawk which is fairly nice. Why didn't Ruger just do a good bluing job on he Wrangler rather than cherokote?
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I'm no expert but there are different grades of Cerakote.
I was looking at the Cerakote website recently for someone else and noticed that some colors are available in some grades and not others.
That doesn't mean that Cerakote isn't making a special blend just for Ruger.

I've seen other companies offer cheaper finishes in order to reduce the price of their six guns.
USFA did that with their Rodeo model.
And Uberti did it with one of their cap & ball revolvers, that may have been their Cattleman but not positive.
What they did was to come out with a very rough, matte blue finish where the metal wasn't polished first.
It was more like a bead or sand blasted finish that they subsequently blued.
It created a rough textured blue job that resembled a painted look in photos, but wasn't painted at all.
It was only a cosmetic cost savings measure.
But that was before Cerakote was either invented or became so popular.
Just look at the price of a USFA Rodeo now.
They're certainly not a budget gun anymore.

I'm sure that Ruger knows that there's a surplus of .22lr ammo on store shelves with companies like CCI recently offering rebates on .22lr ammo.
There's a whole class of youth Cowboy action shooting named the Buckaroo class that they're trying to appeal to as well as the NSSF Rimfire Challenge Cowboy Division.
If Ruger can make some inroads then they can possibly help out the parents to join in those shooting sports to help revive them.
And appeal to the general public as well since sales have been rather flat for a lot of firearms in general.
They do have their stockholders to answer to and jobs to protect.
Look at all of the 10/22 rifle business that Ruger has lost to S&W lately.
So raiding on the Heritage market share is fair game and part of a healthy competitive marketplace.
Ruger will mine profits wherever they can be found. ;)
 
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Jeb Stuart said:
I did go to my local Smith who has a guy that does Cherakoting and they were quick to point out that the finish will wear off eventually. I don't think it is something for me. I do want to send a gun up to Robar eventually and have a nice job done on one of my special carries.
I do not own a Single Six, so how well is the Bluing on that gun? I do own a Blackhawk which is fairly nice. Why didn't Ruger just do a good bluing job on he Wrangler rather than cherokote?
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I am sure with the less prep work needed before coating was a huge cost saver. Its takes time to get a smooth finish that makes a nice blue job. And the finish on a single six is top notch. Nothing at all cheap looking. Mine from 1961 is still a pretty finish.

As to the durability I found this on the Cerakote page. You can cote pistons and valves with it and racers are using it in the engines so it must be more durable than you think.

https://www.cerakote.com/
 
Face it, both the Heritage and the Ruger are cheap guns. Not that they do not work well, just cheap. I mean, how much quality can you put into a gun that will retail for around $200.00? The More quality put into the gun, the less profit. Is Ruger really going to make all the parts and invest in all kinds of machinery?
Zinc, Zinc alloys, different grades of Zinc, aluminum alloys,Zamak, grade 1, 2,3 and on an on. Materials, labor, shipping, warranty, Advertising, profits What quality blueing, cherokoting etc.
These guns are what they are. Cheap, fun little plinkers. Heritage has always worked fine and I bet the Wrangler will be just fine as well.
When I bought my Heritage, I did not know a lot about them. But only that they looked like fun and sure were not going to break he bank. I though hey, if the gun fails after a year ok. No big lost. Now that was years ago and the gun is still trucking. I would say it exceeded all expectations.
I do not care if the gun is the best alloy steel, Zinc, Pot metal or Zemak. Much ado over nothing is going on right now. I say just pick one, Ruger or Heritage, quite worrying about all the self proclaimed Metallurgy experts shooting off their mouth about which is better
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Just go enjoy the gun, enjoy life. If you have kids, just let them have some fun. What are you going to do, spend the afternoon explaining the metals in the gun or just shoot them?
 
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