Picked up a Sig P210-2

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Wait...wait...I know the answer to this one! Italian pistols are: "Una pistola di grande belleza"!

Say isn't that a Pardini GT 9 on the far left?
Funny, I was researching the Koriphilia (which I had never heard of before now), and stumbled across the Pardini for the first time too. Whatta ya know, there it is, lol!

Awesome, BC, awesome.
 
So, I was just looking for more info on the Delta Top Gun too, and came across your pics on Glocktalk, lol. When you google many of these pistols, the first images that pop up are often from your personal collection!
So, I was just looking for more info on the Delta Top Gun too, and came across your pics on Glocktalk, lol. When you google many of these pistols, the first images that pop up are often from your personal collection!
Yeah, that's because nobody has them, especially in the States.

Not my favorite shooters, but Beautiful guns.


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If one wants to tie up money in an expensive pistol the 210 is a good way to go. That gun is to pistol what a Rolex in oyster case is to a wristwatch. Unfortunately for me I like Jaeger-Lecoultre.
 
If one wants to tie up money in an expensive pistol the 210 is a good way to go. That gun is to pistol what a Rolex in oyster case is to a wristwatch. Unfortunately for me I like Jaeger-Lecoultre.
Most of them aren't overly expensive. They actually make decent investments for the future.
 
Today handbuilt is truly a rare thing. There was is? Swede graduate of Ferlach gunmaker school that actually built double rifles from forgings to complete rifles. Yearly output 3 or 4 pieces.
What you have here are guns with some hand fitting and finishing done in the production process. I call this bench assembled and finished. This is different from Colt, S&W, where they just grab and assemble guns out of parts bins. I find it amuzing when Colt, S&W,.....guys state their gun was BUILT in ......
 
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Few years back I examined 210 closely (looked inside) made in Germany with price tag of about $2600 if I recall correctly. Yes the gun was worth it. Pretty affordible for something with operating smoothness of a Cabot.
 
Today handbuilt is truly a rare thing. There was is? Swede graduate of Ferlach gunmaker school that actually built double rifles from forgings to complete rifles. Yearly output 3 or 4 pieces.
What you have here are guns with some hand fitting and finishing done in the production process. I call this bench assembled and finished. This is different from Colt, S&W, where they just grab and assemble guns out of parts bins. I find it amuzing when Colt, S&W,.....guys state their gun was BUILT in ......
Yeah, I was referring to hand fitting and such.

However, Korths and Korriphilas I posted are hand built guns. Obviously, machining is done, but by hand. Output on them, even with a team of people working on them was very few each year. Less than 300 of each exist even after being in "production" for 20 years. They were built per order and none of the parts were mass produced.
 
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Surely, you can't have a pride-worthy collection of German pistols without a Broomhandle or two. (Yes, I'm trolling for Broomhandle photos...)
I think your trolling snagged my C-96! It was fired once in 1913. Proof round. Not fired since. Matching stock. Puter still drunk. Apologies for sideways pics.
 

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I handled my first P-210 three years ago at Simpson's LTD. In Galesburg, Illinois. I had always criticized the "Myth" of how wonderful The P-210 was and how it was the standard by which all other auto pistols were judged. I particularly disliked the mag release. It looked to me like a flimsy piece of crap that belonged on a cheap Spanish knock-off.

I examined a military model alongside a commercial model. As the Aussies would say; I was Gob-smacked. The first thing I noticed was that there was no difference in quality or fit and finish between the two. Frame to slide fit was flawless....no side to side play and no up and down. And this was checked with the gun field stripped and without the barrel in place. That is the true test of a proper frame to slide fit.

The machining and polishing were peerless. The gun just had that "feel" about it. In operation it was as slick and smooth as motor oil on a glass doorknob. Then I tried the trigger and my knees got wobbly..I have never felt a trigger like that. Almost like a three stage, with the second stage being easily felt, right before a crisp, clean let-off. I was shown the factory target that came with the commercial gun. From a rest, a 2.5cm group at 50M. 1" at 54 yards!:what:

The legend is true, as far as I am concerned. I would put my avatar up against a P-210, BUT: We only made a handful if those things per year. Sig turned out thousands of 210s every year. And they were all flawless! The 210s were an actual mass produced pistol. To hold that level of quality during mass production is an incredible feat.

Of maybe it's just Swiss......
 
I handled my first P-210 three years ago at Simpson's LTD. In Galesburg, Illinois. I had always criticized the "Myth" of how wonderful The P-210 was and how it was the standard by which all other auto pistols were judged. I particularly disliked the mag release. It looked to me like a flimsy piece of crap that belonged on a cheap Spanish knock-off.

I examined a military model alongside a commercial model. As the Aussies would say; I was Gob-smacked. The first thing I noticed was that there was no difference in quality or fit and finish between the two. Frame to slide fit was flawless....no side to side play and no up and down. And this was checked with the gun field stripped and without the barrel in place. That is the true test of a proper frame to slide fit.

The machining and polishing were peerless. The gun just had that "feel" about it. In operation it was as slick and smooth as motor oil on a glass doorknob. Then I tried the trigger and my knees got wobbly..I have never felt a trigger like that. Almost like a three stage, with the second stage being easily felt, right before a crisp, clean let-off. I was shown the factory target that came with the commercial gun. From a rest, a 2.5cm group at 50M. 1" at 54 yards!:what:

The legend is true, as far as I am concerned. I would put my avatar up against a P-210, BUT: We only made a handful if those things per year. Sig turned out thousands of 210s every year. And they were all flawless! The 210s were an actual mass produced pistol. To hold that level of quality during mass production is an incredible feat.

Of maybe it's just Swiss......
Very cool

Yeah, they are really nice guns...
 
I like the new American P210A. All the controls are in the right places, and you can do things to them that take advantage of their strengths, without feeling like you bubba-ed a piece of history. They're for shooters, not collectors. Here's my American 210A.


It's a very accurate tool. Here is a 10 shot 25m group from a cheap American 210 knockoff.

To add to the blasphemy, the one in the pic is still dirty, and will remain so, for a day or two, until after I get back to the range.
 
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I like the new American P210A. All the controls are in the right places, and you can do things to them that take advantage of their strengths, without feeling like you bubba-ed a piece of history. They're for shooters, not collectors. Here's my American 210A.


It's a very accurate tool. Here is a 10 shot 25m group from a cheap American 210 knockoff.

To add to the blasphemy, the one in the pic is still dirty, and will remain so, for a day or two, until after I get back to the range.

Hmmm interesting take...so an old, tough as nails l, military pistol are for collecting?

To each their own.

The P210A is definitely an accurate gun, just doesn’t feel like a P210. The fitting and parts quality aren't there to the same level and the design is altered for economics It’s accurate, but so is my CZ TS.

As far as the older Swiss models go, they have the highest quality parts and no MIM. They are very much made to be shot and shot more than just about any other handgun. The collector value is simply a result of their quality and performance.

If you like the P210A that’s cool. It offers great performance at an affordable price. Just not a P210 in my eyes. I’ve owned about a dozen Swiss models and also had a Legend in the past.

In my experience, the P210A can shoot with the Swiss models to about 25 yards, which is pretty good.
 
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tark

Even sideways your Broomhandle is a thing of beauty and a work of art!
Thanks! Someday I might try cleaning out all of the cosmoline inside the gun. The entire interior of the gun, including the bore is gooped up with the stuff.. But that would require stripping the gun and I don't want to risk even the slightest amount of finish wear that might result..
 
Hmmm interesting take...so an old, tough as nails l, military pistol are for collecting?

I've shot both. Don't get me wrong. I like the old Swiss and German ones, for what they are. They aren't perfect, however. I prefer the 210A beavertail. The 210A has stock adjustable sights, instead of drift-to-adjust fixed irons. The 210A has the Magazine release in a better position. The Safety on the 210A is in a better position. The 210A has a better front sight, in addition to the adjustable rear. You can have a choice for an adapter for a Red Dot on the 210A, and it doesn't require any modification to the slide. The grips are better on the American's. The trigger is the same.

Tough as nails? Isn't there a scratch on that 210-2 from merely using the safety?

Personally, I think the slide to frame fit on the new ones is better and slicker than on the old ones. Hand fitting, by a skilled craftsman is often great. CNC parts are almost always great.

I do see the appeal of everything made out of machined barstock on the older ones. There are a few mim parts on the Americans. In theory, MIM will result in a part with more accurate dimensions, for heat treating machined barstock parts can result in the parts warping during the process.

The collector value is simply a result of their quality and performance.

One would think supply and demand were part of the equation, especially since they don't make the 210-2 anymore.I like the old Sig P210s as collectibles. I'd leave them original. You yourself said they were an 'investment', and they aren't making them any more. The new 210As easily shoot as well, are cheaper, have support/parts/warranty from the factory, have better sight options and ergonomics. Positives on both sides.

One of the greatest things about America is we can choose. Win-win, either way.

Old Ferraris are still cool. You can see them in the rearview mirror of those blasphemous new Ferraris sometimes ;) (Which 210 will clear targets faster, and can you do faster mag changes on?)
 
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