New Ruger Wrangler.... I'm confused

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Speedo66 said:
I hope all you early adopters who are scrambling to pre-order without seeing, holding, or reading anything other than gun shills reporting aren't disappointed.

I sincerely wish you good luck.

I'm a little surprised, this is usually a pretty pragmatic group. Now it seems it's more like... .
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I have no problem being an early adopter on a sub $200 gun from the gun company with the best customer service in the industry. I’ll be thinking of you while I sip my Arnold Palmer in my lounge chair with a cup holder full of .22’s plinking away. :neener:
 
Ratshooter said:
I am sure with the less prep work needed before coating was a huge cost saver. Its takes time to get a smooth finish that makes a nice blue job. And the finish on a single six is top notch. Nothing at all cheap looking. Mine from 1961 is still a pretty finish.

As to the durability I found this on the Cerakote page. You can cote pistons and valves with it and racers are using it in the engines so it must be more durable than you think.

https://www.cerakote.com/
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I've dealt with cerakote quite a bit and I can assure you the type of cerakote that is put on piston tops or skirts for example is a entirely different product than what is applied to a gun. It's a apples to oranges comparison and what works well for the one does not work well for the other. Cerakote makes a range of products for different applications but they are all cerakote in the same way Ruger makes a range of guns but they are all rugers. Cerakote can and will wear, the type used on guns is essentially a glorified paint although cerakote would try to argue that. That said, it's not a bad finish for a cheap gun and unlike a bluing job the average person with basic skills could refinish it themselves once it gets too beat up without to much trouble or cost provided they had access to sandblasting equipment.
 
Speedo66 said:
I hope all you early adopters who are scrambling to pre-order without seeing, holding, or reading anything other than gun shills reporting aren't disappointed.

I sincerely wish you good luck.

I'm a little surprised, this is usually a pretty pragmatic group. Now it seems it's more like... .
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I don't think that most of us are fixated on buying an unknown quantity so much as we are buying a Ruger. Ruger has certain qualities that transcend the brand and are generally present in all models. My hope is that Ruger engineered these qualities into the Wrangler making it a solid, affordable plinker. Being based off the Single Six, a solid performer, it is worth the risk for me. Using a familiar platform, the Single Six/Blackhawk beats the cockamamy flip down safety of the RR for me. I have been shooting Ruger single actions for most of my life and have come to trust them implicitly. I see the Wrangler as a natural extension of this.

Time will tell, but I am a patient man and for two hundred bucks my bank won't break if it doesn't.
 
Jeb Stuart said:
I say just pick one, Ruger or Heritage, quite worrying about all the self proclaimed Metallurgy experts shooting off their mouth about which is better
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No need to take it personal there Jeb. :cuss::D

But I agree with you. Just go take a look at the Rough Rider and the Wrangler and then pick the one that you like best.
Then buy some ammo and head off to the range to shoot your new Wrangler. :thumbup:
 
Jeb Stuart said:
I would be curious why Ruger took a inexpensive Budget Plinker and put a Cheriokote finish


Thanks for that Ratshooter, I doubt it will calmthe waters. Regardless, it is what most of us thought along. And IMO no big deal.And it actually makes sense. Probably adds a liitle more weight?

I would be interested to hear from Ruger why they choose a Cherakote finish for a inexpensive Budget Plinker. And since I do not know much about Cherokote, I wonder if there are different grades or quality?
Obvious Ruger is moving into the direction of Budget guns. When they went from the LC9S down to the LC9, they put on a cheap finish. No surprise, they are trying to save money and the bottom line. It would seem they would have put a finish on the Wrangler like the SR22? Which I think is rather nice. Ruger also phased out the well built SR9 series. Seems they are phasing out a lot of the great products for budget guns. Makes me wonder if they plan on phasing out the Single 6 as well especially since it will be called the Wrangler Single Six. Who knows. I never thought they would have discontinued the SR9 like the SR9C I own. Now there is nothing to replace one with,

I did go to my local Smith who has a guy that does Cherakoting and they were quick to point out that the finish will wear off eventually. I don't think it is something for me. I do want to send a gun up to Robar eventually and have a nice job done on one of my special carries.
I do not own a Single Six, so how well is the Bluing on that gun? I do own a Blackhawk which is fairly nice. Why didn't Ruger just do a good bluing job on he Wrangler rather than cherokote?
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I could see Ruger dumping the Single Six Convertible and focusing on the Single 9 for .22 Mag and Single 10 for .22 LR.
 
ECVMatt said:
I don't think that most of us are fixated on buying an unknown quantity so much as we are buying a Ruger. Ruger has certain qualities that transcend the brand and are generally present in all models. My hope is that Ruger engineered these qualities into the Wrangler making it a solid, affordable plinker. Being based off the Single Six, a solid performer, it is worth the risk for me. Using a familiar platform, the Single Six/Blackhawk beats the cockamamy flip down safety of the RR for me. I have been shooting Ruger single actions for most of my life and have come to trust them implicitly. I see the Wrangler as a natural extension of this.
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This is the problem and it's one that fanboys are going to be slow to realize, if they ever do. Ruger today is not the Ruger of the 50s, 60s, 70s, or 80s, the revolvers are not made as well as they once were and these Wranglers are going to be the cheapest revolvers Ruger has ever made. Also, sometimes it's not just the materials that make up the quality, but the workmanship of the workers and the production workers of today aren't as skilled as those 50 years ago.

I do like the way the Ruger works by opening the loading gate to unlock the cylinder, but the safety on the Heritage's have never bothered me and if they do others, you can always keep the safety off.
 
TTv2 said:
This is the problem and it's one that fanboys are going to be slow to realize, if they ever do. Ruger today is not the Ruger of the 50s, 60s, 70s, or 80s, the revolvers are not made as well as they once were and these Wranglers are going to be the cheapest revolvers Ruger has ever made. Also, sometimes it's not just the materials that make up the quality, but the workmanship of the workers and the production workers of today aren't as skilled as those 50 years ago.

I do like the way the Ruger works by opening the loading gate to unlock the cylinder, but the safety on the Heritage's have never bothered me and if they do others, you can always keep the safety off.
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All my Rugers are from the 1990s and the 2010s. So far, so good.
 
ECVMatt said:
I don't think that most of us are fixated on buying an unknown quantity so much as we are buying a Ruger. Ruger has certain qualities that transcend the brand and are generally present in all models. My hope is that Ruger engineered these qualities into the Wrangler making it a solid, affordable plinker. Being based off the Single Six, a solid performer, it is worth the risk for me. Using a familiar platform, the Single Six/Blackhawk beats the cockamamy flip down safety of the RR for me. I have been shooting Ruger single actions for most of my life and have come to trust them implicitly. I see the Wrangler as a natural extension of this.

Time will tell, but I am a patient man and for two hundred bucks my bank won't break if it doesn't.
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I agree. $200 isn't the end of the world if it turns out to be a stinker but why the big hurry to buy something that no one has seen, heard or felt? Remington was a great firearms maker until they weren't. And no one really knows the real reason why this item is being introduced to the market. Some here infer that it is because the Big R senses the opportunity to exterminate a competitor. Not really a competitor though because the Big R isn't already in that market. This is the same company that lured a bunch of sponsored shooters away from S&W before they had suitable hardware in the pipeline to support those shooters.

Hey maybe the thing will be a fantastic value and great addition to the collection. I hope it does achieve that, nothing gained if it bombs. But on the other hand why the big rush? Reminds me of the chit-chat on the reloading forum, for 6 months before Lee released the auto pro something progressive press that dozens of THR members were convinced would put a hurt on Dillon. And then the item hit the market. Not saying it doesn't work but based simply on the lack of chatter it doesn't appear that it met or exceeded the hype.
 
thomas15 said:
I agree. $200 isn't the end of the world if it turns out to be a stinker but why the big hurry to buy something that no one has seen, heard or felt? Remington was a great firearms maker until they weren't. And no one really knows the real reason why this item is being introduced to the market. Some here infer that it is because the Big R senses the opportunity to exterminate a competitor. Not really a competitor though because the Big R isn't already in that market. This is the same company that lured a bunch of sponsored shooters away from S&W before they had suitable hardware in the pipeline to support those shooters.

Hey maybe the thing will be a fantastic value and great addition to the collection. I hope it does achieve that, nothing gained if it bombs. But on the other hand why the big rush? Reminds me of the chit-chat on the reloading forum, for 6 months before Lee released the auto pro something progressive press that dozens of THR members were convinced would put a hurt on Dillon. And then the item hit the market. Not saying it doesn't work but based simply on the lack of chatter it doesn't appear that it met or exceeded the hype.
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It's a .22 caliber revolver for $200, not $2,000. Seriously, what could go wrong?
 
As I said before I was already considering buying a Heritage, until Ruger announced the Wrangler. It was all over for me about getting a Heritage at that point. I’ve seenand shot my brothers Heritage and while fun and operable, it felt a little cheap and I really did not care for the safety, it’s not in period with a SA revolver and don’t care for the looks of it either.

Now when I saw the Ruger Wrangler in photos and a couple of reviews I saw a much better quality firearm from the looks of it, the casting, machining and cerekoting versus paint looks to be a big improvement over the Heritage.

Before I knew the Rugers barrel was threaded into the receiver (I assumed it was but not confirmed) I did not care for Heritages means of mounting their barrels but it was something I was going to just get over when I was going to buy a Heritage.

It was a very easy choice for me to “jump on the bandwagon,” before the Wrangler is out in numbers as it’s a Ruger that is of known quality, and the price came in, in spitting distance with the Heritage in which I had several reservations preventing me from pulling the trigger on buying one.

It was an easy choice for me, obviously some people think it’s too soon and that’s their prerogative. I’ve let many others blaze the trail on new firearms and have waited for second generations of firearms, figures it’s my turn to be an early adopter I guess. And for $200 in today’s money it looks like a lot of fun and useful, if there are issues I know Ruger will take care of me, and it’s a particular firearm that I don’t need so a trip back to Ruger if necessary isn’t the end of the world.
 
Judging by what I've read online, especially on the Ruger forum of all places, the Ruger's board of directors must have been sitting around the table one day tossing around ideas for a new product. One of them said, "I know, let's build a cheap SA .22, have the parts made in China of whatever alloy they feel like, assemble them in our plant so we can claim it's made in USA, and lie to our shareholders about the whole thing! Who cares if the metal looks bad, we'll just spray paint over the flaws. The unit cost will be fifty bucks and we'll sell them for two hundred fifty. We'll be rich, I tell you, rich! Bwahahaha!!!!"

As for today's Ruger being different from the past, thank goodness for that. They could have followed Colt's model, and never changed or introduced new products. I'm sure Ruger is painfully aware of the lack of craftsmanship in the available pool of labor, and that's why MIM and other automated manufacturing is now the standard in the industry. The alternative is to go bankrupt making guns no one can afford.
 
thomas15 said:
I agree. $200 isn't the end of the world if it turns out to be a stinker but why the big hurry to buy something that no one has seen, heard or felt? Remington was a great firearms maker until they weren't. And no one really knows the real reason why this item is being introduced to the market. Some here infer that it is because the Big R senses the opportunity to exterminate a competitor. Not really a competitor though because the Big R isn't already in that market. This is the same company that lured a bunch of sponsored shooters away from S&W before they had suitable hardware in the pipeline to support those shooters.

Hey maybe the thing will be a fantastic value and great addition to the collection. I hope it does achieve that, nothing gained if it bombs. But on the other hand why the big rush? Reminds me of the chit-chat on the reloading forum, for 6 months before Lee released the auto pro something progressive press that dozens of THR members were convinced would put a hurt on Dillon. And then the item hit the market. Not saying it doesn't work but based simply on the lack of chatter it doesn't appear that it met or exceeded the hype.
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You haven’t seen pics or a video about the new Ruger Wrangler yet ?
You should check out the topic over at THR forum. :uhoh:
Now none of us have had one in our hands yet, but the reviews so far that I have seen all have been favorable.
Now your comparison to the Lee press an the Dillon press is a little funny. We all know that Lee is subpar to Dillon. ;)
What I have seen in this topic is people a little excited about something new coming to the market.
Some people not happy to see people excited about something they are not excited about.

Fanboys of one brand calling the ones that want a Wrangler a Ruger Fanboy. :cuss:
And then there are a few poking the Heritage fanboys to keep them upset. :rofl:
Can’t we all just get along. :D
 
Choctaw said:
It's a .22 caliber revolver for $200, not $2,000. Seriously, what could go wrong?
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Yes I agree its not that much money.

A few weeks ago, Cabelas had the Pietta 1873 SAA .22 LR for about $200 I forget the exact amount. I'm sure this is a better deal than the RR might be better than the Ruger but who can say because the Ruger is still in boxes.
 
I really don't care what anyone buys, how much they pay for it or their reason(s). I'm simply commenting on the social aspect of the thing.

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I really did not care for the safety, it’s not in period with a SA revolver and don’t care for the looks of it either.

Now when I saw the Ruger Wrangler in photos and a couple of reviews I saw a much better quality firearm from the looks of it, the casting, machining and cerekoting versus paint looks to be a big improvement over the Heritage.
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As if cerekoting is a period application.
 
GunnyUSMC said:
You haven’t seen pics or a video about the new Ruger Wrangler yet ?
You should check out the topic over at THR forum. :uhoh:
Now none of us have had one in our hands yet, but the reviews so far that I have seen all have been favorable.
Now your comparison to the Lee press an the Dillon press is a little funny. We all know that Lee is subpar to Dillon. ;)
What I have seen in this topic is people a little excited about something new coming to the market.
Some people not happy to see people excited about something they are not excited about.

Fanboys of one brand calling the ones that want a Wrangler a Ruger Fanboy. :cuss:
And then there are a few poking the Heritage fanboys to keep them upset. :rofl:
Can’t we all just get along. :D
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Picture Glock fanboys when a new Glock comes out... They'll gobble it up sight unseen and snap at anyone who looks askance at them. :D
 
I have a Ruger 22LR and a Heritage 22LR. I like them both and no problems from either. Don't need another 22LR. I'll pass.
 
TTv2 said:
This is the problem and it's one that fanboys are going to be slow to realize, if they ever do. Ruger today is not the Ruger of the 50s, 60s, 70s, or 80s, the revolvers are not made as well as they once were and these Wranglers are going to be the cheapest revolvers Ruger has ever made. Also, sometimes it's not just the materials that make up the quality, but the workmanship of the workers and the production workers of today aren't as skilled as those 50 years ago.

I do like the way the Ruger works by opening the loading gate to unlock the cylinder, but the safety on the Heritage's have never bothered me and if they do others, you can always keep the safety off.
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I am really trying to uphold the standards of THR, but this one just cracks me up. The most stanch supporter of a gun that is poorly made, assembled, and finished is now bashing Ruger's materials and quality of workmanship. I agree things change, but to suggest that Rough Rider is some how providing equal if not better fit, finish, and workmanship compared to a Ruger is pretty crazy to me.

I am not trying to sound pompous in any way, but two hundred bucks is not a deal breaker in my life right now. I am fortunate for that and always thankful. Having said that, I am going to enjoy the experience of shooting and examining this new Ruger to discover its merits and faults. If it is a total flop, then I will use it to make a display for my office and to serve as a constant reminder of the risk of folly (not always a bad thing) and if it is a shooter then I will enjoy it equally for this quality.

I can't take my kids to Disneyland for this price and we only get a single day's experience. With the Wrangle I will get the experience of knowledge, the enjoyment of shooting, and either a pretty cool western display or a solid shooter.

I think this thread should be redirected to discussing the Wrangler and a second thread should open to discuss all of the wonderful attributes of the Rough Rider.

That way we can keep our dogs in their own pens....and hopefully reduce the barking.
 
thomas15 said:
As if cerekoting is a period application.
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And painting firearms like the Heritage isn't period either and lessor application (again IMHO) than cerekoting. The mechanical flap for the safety just was the biggest reluctance I had with the Heritage a total deviation from SA mechanics that kept me from buying it.

I'm not trying to convince anyone, merely pointing out my thoughts on my decision. I'm sure I would have been satisfied with the Heritage, but believe I'll be happy with the Ruger, simple as that.
 
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I don't need to continue, it's too bad people can't be excited for others who are excited about or getting a new gun. One would have thought we kicked the neighbors dog by buying a gun sight unseen. I guess I'll just keep it to myself whether I like my Ruger Wrangler, I'm sure the other buyers will have their own to review. Feel free to PM me in a couple of weeks when I've had my sit with my Wrangler, maybe I'll let you in on the scoop. :neener:
 
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TTv2 said:
This is the problem and it's one that fanboys are going to be slow to realize, if they ever do. Ruger today is not the Ruger of the 50s, 60s, 70s, or 80s, the revolvers are not made as well as they once were and these Wranglers are going to be the cheapest revolvers Ruger has ever made. Also, sometimes it's not just the materials that make up the quality, but the workmanship of the workers and the production workers of today aren't as skilled as those 50 years ago.
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Ruger revolvers are made of the same materials and with the same quality parts that they were up to the 1980s. I own a 1978 Blackhawk and there is very little, if any difference between it and the current offerings, which I also own. Today's Blackhawk is just as strong and well-finished and accurate as it always was. I also owned an SR1911 which was excellent.
Ruger and many others rely on CNC machines and automation to produce their guns, and final inspection and sometimes quality control is not always perfect. This sometimes results in a handgun which may be 99% perfect, with a small defect or fault.
Problems are usually minor though, and certainly not confined to Ruger.

What you should ask yourself is this. If a major manufacturer sometimes produces a few guns that aren't perfect, what kind of quality can you expect from a small company like Heritage, whose only output is the cheapest .22 revolver made to date? Their work force certainly isn't all that skilled or dedicated or well-paid I'm sure. From their plant tour video on You-Tube they look more like a workshop than a production facility.
And they DO turn out more than a few lemons according to the You Tube videos I've seen.

One thing is certain, and that is that Ruger can afford to subsidize a new model like the Wrangler through it's early production to assure that they are well-made and then profitable. So, you ARE going to get a good gun.

It's seems obvious that the most ardent Rough Rider fanboys here are in full panic mode, trying to protect what is now an inferior product from Wrangler competition.

Do they have some financial stake in slagging what practically everyone else recognizes as a better revolver?
 
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