45 colt woods carry ammo ? Not +P

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^ I’m curious how that Sig load matched up against American Eagle 225gr jsp in Penetration for deer hunting.

BB seems to be worth it’s cost no matter what caliber I’ve tried.
 
Yes, but I can load that for a whole lot less than $1.25 per round (plus shipping).

You sure got that right! I shoot the 45 Colt a lot and have reloaded from the start.(over 7 years). I use a RNFP 250G from Zcast at just over 9 cents.. CCI Primer .034. pushed by 8.4 grains Unique .03 . Total 15.4 cents per round. 9 $15.40 per 100) excluding brass which is good for 25 to 30 loading's. A great load for accuracy and medium power. I have loaded higher but my Blackhawk loves this load best..
 
Do you roll your own?
My recommendation would be a 250gr WC from Matt's bullets.
http://www.mattsbullets.com/index.p...ducts_id=317&zenid=e7l9mae8709bk7af7vctt0klf2

That over 8.5 grains of Accurate #5.
Recoil is very manageable (my hands are wrecked from neuropathy)
With the wide surface, it does plenty of damage to 2 & 4 footed predators.

I wouldn't try it on a Grizzly, Kodiak, Polar or brown bear.

But for pretty much anything else I'd feel comfortable
 
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I think the main point to understand is that you're not trying to disable the beast with "shock" effects or explosive expansion. You're trying to get a piece of lead of decent diameter to push through enough hide and bone and muscle to get to brain or spine or heart (preferably brain). With a hard chunk of lead of good sectional density and with the right kind of nose shape to ensure stability in penetration, you don't need overwhelming velocity for that. You're just trying to create a flying drill press, not a bomb.
 
I think the main point to understand is that you're not trying to disable the beast with "shock" effects or explosive expansion. You're trying to get a piece of lead of decent diameter to push through enough hide and bone and muscle to get to brain or spine or heart (preferably brain). With a hard chunk of lead of good sectional density and with the right kind of nose shape to ensure stability in penetration, you don't need overwhelming velocity for that. You're just trying to create a flying drill press, not a bomb.

Well put :thumbup:.

And to add if it's going TOO fast with lead you risk deforming the nose of the hardcast bullet. Once the nose is deformed, the bullet won't do what it's designed to do and may suffer penetration or perfromance wise. Atleast that's what I learned from reading @MaxP 's stuff. So more velocity doesn't always mean better performance, unless the given bullet is designed to handle it when crashing into big bones.
 
Well put :thumbup:.

And to add if it's going TOO fast with lead you risk deforming the nose of the hardcast bullet. Once the nose is deformed, the bullet won't do what it's designed to do and may suffer penetration or perfromance wise. Atleast that's what I learned from reading @MaxP 's stuff. So more velocity doesn't always mean better performance, unless the given bullet is designed to handle it when crashing into big bones.

And this is why nowadays I tend to use bullets that can take high impact velocities. I don’t want a “punch press,” I want to knock the snot (this is a technical term) out of animals, not just drill holes - but that’s just me! I’m not condemning cast bullets, I’ve just experienced quite a few failures on the big stuff. If you do decide upon a cast load, moderating the velocity is a good idea.
 
Max, what velocity range would you consider appropriate? 900 - 1200fps?

If the bullets are sufficiently hard but not brittle (I’m oversimplifying), I’ve pushed them to 1,400 fps knowing the impact velocity will be lower. I’ve used water quenched bullets (out of wheel weights) that worked like gang busters on deer and hogs out of my old .475 Linebaugh. I was getting right around 1,350 at the muzzle with that particular load and it put down a truckload of hogs in North Carolina.
 
Does the long range punch press argument work. Yes it can. Is there a better way? Yes. It requires recoil and more expense but depending in the cartridge the idea u dont hydrostatic shock from a revolver is false. You dont out of some, others work like a champ and knock stuff down faster than the punch press idea.
 
I think the main point to understand is that you're not trying to disable the beast with "shock" effects or explosive expansion. You're trying to get a piece of lead of decent diameter to push through enough hide and bone and muscle to get to brain or spine or heart (preferably brain). With a hard chunk of lead of good sectional density and with the right kind of nose shape to ensure stability in penetration, you don't need overwhelming velocity for that. You're just trying to create a flying drill press, not a bomb.


My response was more to this than the op. Theres still low recoiling options though that black bear and really any dangerous game in the lower 48 you are better served with. Less recoil than the buffalo bore 44 mag low recoil rounds.
 
Certain animals are more susceptible and better terminally served by high velocities and expanding bullets like the big cats and bears.
 
I'm never going to see the places that Max goes to so I think That Brian Pierce's Tier II RCBS # 270, 285 load is all I'll ever need. Also, the BP loads are the most accurate out of my Ruger Bisley 3.75" .
I do love shooting the hot loads but I don't have control of aging. Besides, I always can fall back on my S&W 44 Mags!
 
My response was more to this than the op. Theres still low recoiling options though that black bear and really any dangerous game in the lower 48 you are better served with. Less recoil than the buffalo bore 44 mag low recoil rounds.

How about a couple of examples -- 44 and whatever you had in mind.

Thanks,

Paul
 
RCBS 45-255KT and 18 grains of 2400 or 9.5 Unique should be enough for anything but griz.
 
I like a 250 grain wadcutter, one like Mattsbullets that doesn't sit deep in the case like standard .38 wadcutters do. This makes more room for powder, reduces pressures, and are easier to load into the chambers.
 
I like a 250 grain wadcutter, one like Mattsbullets that doesn't sit deep in the case like standard .38 wadcutters do. This makes more room for powder, reduces pressures, and are easier to load into the chambers.

Wadcutter or semi-wadcutter??
 
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