Trunk Monkey
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No.
The poster doing 83 rounds a month over the course of 2 years is not the same as Tamara Keel putting the same gun through a 2000 round challenge over the course of a week.
But you knew that
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No.
The poster doing 83 rounds a month over the course of 2 years is not the same as Tamara Keel putting the same gun through a 2000 round challenge over the course of a week.
But you knew that
kmw1954
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Nice to be compared to someone like Tamara Keel.
Huge difference between a personal defense gun and a competition speed gun. So if you would like to continue in this vein then I at least am finished as these are 2 completely different animals, Or do you want to compare my everyday driver to John Force's Top Fuel Funny car?
Huge difference between a personal defense gun and a competition speed gun. So if you would like to continue in this vein then I at least am finished as these are 2 completely different animals, Or do you want to compare my everyday driver to John Force's Top Fuel Funny car?
maxxhavoc
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I'm kind of getting tired of the whole "I knew a guy that had a Taurus" or "I owned a Taurus that I didn't like so..." thing.
I get it, the Internet has decided that since they are inexpensive, they must not be any good.
So I will only speak to my experience...here are my currently owned Taurus pistols (oops, I forgot the Spectrum...just add 1):
All of them work well. 2 have gone back to Taurus for repairs. The "official" turnaround time is 12 weeks. 1 took 13 weeks, 1 took 2. In my experience, they are just as good as anyone else's customer service. Better than some, not mentioning any (Kimber) names (Kimber.)
So when I say, I trust Taurus for carry, it's not because I can't afford better. My Taurus Raging Bull .454 cost more than any of my Smiths.
The PT111 with a Sig 17 round mag there is my regular carry (although I carry with the 12rd with a 17rd backup.) I also have an M&P 9c that has about the same , well, everything, but the PT111 is smaller, lighter, and points better. So I prefer it to the more expensive gun.
I get it, the Internet has decided that since they are inexpensive, they must not be any good.
So I will only speak to my experience...here are my currently owned Taurus pistols (oops, I forgot the Spectrum...just add 1):
All of them work well. 2 have gone back to Taurus for repairs. The "official" turnaround time is 12 weeks. 1 took 13 weeks, 1 took 2. In my experience, they are just as good as anyone else's customer service. Better than some, not mentioning any (Kimber) names (Kimber.)
So when I say, I trust Taurus for carry, it's not because I can't afford better. My Taurus Raging Bull .454 cost more than any of my Smiths.
The PT111 with a Sig 17 round mag there is my regular carry (although I carry with the 12rd with a 17rd backup.) I also have an M&P 9c that has about the same , well, everything, but the PT111 is smaller, lighter, and points better. So I prefer it to the more expensive gun.
Trunk Monkey
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You get cool points for knowing who she is but the last 2000 round challenge I'm aware of that she did was a completely stock S&W 5906 that was 30 years old. I never known her to recommend any Taurus
So your experience is valid but mine isn't?
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maxxhavoc
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Not what I am trying to say at all. I am not picking on you specifically, just that I would rather people say what guns they had issues with and what the issues were more than general "it was bad" type statements.. I provided a picture of my pistols made by Taurus to demonstrate that I have a good bit of experience with several of the company's products.
You say you have owned (1) Taurus pistol that did not meet your standards. I have owned Glocks, Kimbers, Smith and Wessons, Springfields, Rugers, and yes, Tauruses that did not meet my standards. In some cases, I contacted the Manufacturer and had them repair it or replace it. In some cases I just sold it. I do not condemn the company if 1 gun I bought was not above par. Some Taurus pistol lines just plain suck or have known issues. Some are known to be very reliable. If you bought one a pistol in one of the models that usually sucks, then I would not be surprised that your pistol sucked. Without knowing which model you bought, I can't say whether I am surprised you got a lemon or not. For instance, if you bought a Model 94 and the trigger was about a kajillion pounds, I will say yes, that is going to be the case. They scaled down the gun so much that the hammer is too light, requiring heavy springs. In a gun that is new-shooter sized. Epic fail.
The guy next to you sounded like either he did not know how to run his gun, or he had some horrible ammo. The G2 has second strike capability so you do not need to do a Tap, Rack, Bang for every misfire. You verify you are in battery and pull the trigger again. And again. I also do not know if they guy next to you ever cleaned his gun or replaced his springs. I DO know that if I was going to a class with a gun, I would do those things and run at least 250 problem free rounds through it before I went. I would also do the same for my backup gun, which I would switch to if the primary missed a single beat. So THAT guy, yes, I question the validity of his experience.
Trunk Monkey
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I wasn't paying attention to the specifics. I just watched the guy go through malfunction after malfunction after malfunction and I asked him what he was carrying and he said it was a G2.
The Taurus said I owned was a PF92 or a PT2(whichever one was the Beretta knock off) that my wife paid $95 for in a pawnshop.
I have to admit it was certainly worth what she paid for it and when we pawned it later I think they gave us $300 for it.
It looked cheap, it felt cheap it carried like a brick, the double action trigger pull was so long that if you wanted to shoot somebody on Wednesday you had to start pulling the trigger Tuesday afternoon and magazines appeared to be impossible to find. To be fair though I don't recall ever having a malfunction with it.
I'm sorry but Taurus has a poor reputation and that's not all just internet myth. When I combine their reputation and my personal experiences Taurus is still not a gun that I'd invest in. If I wouldn't carry it myself I'm not going to recommend it to you.
And, as I said earlier, if I'm on that tight a budget with the experiences that I've had I wouldn't bet the $200. Not if I can save another $50 and get a first generation Smith & Wesson Shield which is a commodity did I'm familiar with that has an outstanding reputation.
P5 Guy
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How many agencies, security companies issue or allow their guards to carry Taurus pistols?
Trunk Monkey
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To be fair, I used to work for a company that allowed their guards to carry Highpoints
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So you brought an old used PT92. You personally didn't like the way it looked, felt, and the trigger pull, but you all liked it enough to buy it in the first place. All three things that are matter of opinion, and that can and should have been checked before you purchased it. You paid $95, sold it for $300. By your own admission, you never had a malfunction. Now because of your example of one which was an old used pawn shop buy that never had a malfunction, you feel the need to go on a crusade against Taurus. Now all of them suck? Now, based on your post history, whenever Taurus comes up, you're running to bash them? Give it a rest already.
You're not a stupid person, and I assume you have some common sense. Does it make sense to you that because you purchased a used older Taurus from a pawn shop that had no malfunction that qualifies you and gives you the experience to be able to claim that everything Taurus makes is junk? That the current models that you have ZERO experience with is junk? That you know more than the people who own them and are claiming otherwise? The more you talk and divulge, the less sense you make. Heck, yoyu didn't even know what the name of the the Taurus you
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stonebuster
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The Shield has 7+1 and extended mag 8+1 capacity. I have no experience with Ruger or Taurus semi autos.
Trunk Monkey
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You missed it by that much.
I never saw that gun and told my wife came home and said "Look what I got."
I'm not on a crusade against Taurus. I never said you shouldn't buy a Taurus. I said I will never buy another one and I gave my reasons why. You're the one that blew a gasket.
If you want a Taurus please by all means by one. If you ask me if I'll recommend one the answer is no
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You said they [all] "sucked", and in past threads as well, have bashed Taurus and told people not to buy one. So thanks for clearing that up. You're wife liked it enough to buy it. It was a $99 dollar used gun that had no malfunction which you couldn't even remember the name of. Now all Tauruses sucks and shouldn't be relied on.
It's one thing to say that you purchased a particular model of Taurus while ago, didn't like the feel and trigger, and haven't been interested in them sense then, but you went far and beyond that.
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luzyfuerza
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What does "all of them work well" mean?
For me, standards for reliability and accuracy of guns just shot at the range on occasion and guns I'll carry are different.
The very few guns I've chosen to carry get shot a lot. I look for reliability and accuracy with reloads, factory practice, and my preferred factory self-defense rounds. Using FMJ, LRN, and HP bullets. I attend training classes with them. I compete with them. I set up and shoot my own scenarios with them. I practice, on the timer, with them. I dry practice with them a lot.
"Owning" just means that your credit card works. A carry gun that "works" has to prove this over and over again.
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Reminds me of another thread not to long ago were Taurus was being bashed. When I inquired about which model and how long ago, it turned out that the basher purchased a 30 year old used Taurus from a pawn shop, it needed a spare part, Taurus couldn't fix it because they long since discontinued that model, so from then on, the basher hated Taurus. This logic seems to only apply to Taurus and other budget priced guns. If I started bashing S&W, Colt, Sig, Glock, etc under the same circumstances, I'd be set straight pretty quickly.
Trunk Monkey
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As I mentioned earlier, Taurus' poor reputation isn't just an internet myth. They earned it by producing a bunch of problem guns. I'm sorry but it is what it is.
If you think your Taurus is a well made gun do a 2000 round challenge with it and share your results
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Done deal. You pay for my ammo, I'll pay for the gun. I'll shoot it live straight through.
There are documented cases and others on the Taurus forum who have well over 2k rounds through theirs. There are YouTube videos with 2k plus through them I remember seeing years ago. There's the Guns and Ammo Shootout where the Taurus did better than the Shield and just as good as the Glock 43 and Walther PPS.
We can agree on one thing. Taurus has earned their reputation of being unreliable and problematic in the past, but at least give them credit and be honest about what they've been putting out in the present. It's a night and day difference from then and now.
kmw1954
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How do you respond to someone that does not carry and has no intention on doing so? I do have a quick access pistol safe next to the bed and in it are 3 pistols, Taurus PT92C, Tanfoglio Witness 45acp and a XD Mod2 45acp. I shoot these guns regularly and have utmost confidence in them still the Taurus is up front.
Well this topic has deteriorated well past it's intentions and the OP hasn't posted a response since Sunday so they either got their answer or lost interest in all sniping.
I have this same question to all that come to a topic like this or even the ones dealing with Lee products. If you have such a distaste and dislike of the product then why do you keep inserting yourselves. Is that to reinforces your opinion? I never see any New points made, it's always the same old arguments over and over. In this case we have numerous people backing up and supporting the G2C in question and one person that seems to be only trying to reinforce their own personal opinion on 1 personal experience. You have made yourself and your opinion heard repeatedly, we are not going to change your mind just as you will not change ours.
To the original poster, I hope you find the solution you are looking for. Best of Luck!
maxxhavoc
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That is the funniest thing I think I have heard in a long time. I hope they are at least carbines. I can't even imagine the gnarly holster you would use for one of those...they would need to come with a back brace!
They used them as a pain compliance tool. Perpetrators would be forced to look at the Hi-Point until their will collapsed and they surrendered/complied.
luzyfuerza
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I think that any firearm intended for personal defense, whether carried or just for home use, needs to be fired a lot, trained with, completely reliable, and acceptably accurate, just as I described above.
Lots of gun brands, calibers, models, etc. can meet these accuracy and reliability standards.
Its the training and regular practice that's most important, however.
Many folks here and elsewhere tend to obsess about a particular brand or model, and forget about real training and practice. Backwards thinking, to my mind.
kmw1954
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No dispute with any of that. Anyone that shoots enough to become proficient should also have a firm grip on what a reliable accurate gun is. One should also be familiar enough with their guns that they can operate them in complete darkness as that to me is where it will be needed most of the time.
It was mentioned before about a shooter having trouble with a gun at a class. Well regardless of make, model or age that gun would not be used as a defense gun until it was sorted out and if it couldn't be sorted then it should be replaced, At least that's the way I feel. Still trying to understand why someone would have to but a gun through a torture test to determine if it is reliable. If one needs 2k rounds to fend off an attach then sorry buddy but you are in deep doo doo.
To return to topic, once again I have fired both the guns the OP is asking about and I prefer the Taurus. For me it was more comfortable to grip and a tad more accurate. I didn't like the triggers on either of them. For me, I know more people that own the Taurus G2C than I do the EC9s and I don't believe that has anything to do with the price point.
KeithET
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I own a EC9s and love it. The trigger is very nice. Not a lot of capacity but it’s slimmer then the g2c. My brother in law has the g2c so I have shot it as well. Nice trigger but it’s a bit wide for CCW which is what I would use it for.
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MedWheeler
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P5 Guy writes:
Worldwide?
Can't say. If I had to guess, I'd say "more than one."
For example, the PT92, or a variant thereof, has been utilized by no less than nine nations for military and/or law enforcement.
Worldwide?
Can't say. If I had to guess, I'd say "more than one."
For example, the PT92, or a variant thereof, has been utilized by no less than nine nations for military and/or law enforcement.
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I cut my Ruger LCP in half and threw it out if that's any indication of which way to go.
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