Ruger Security 9, Walther PPS, Sig p365 which to get?

Hello All,
New member here so hello! I am trying to pick out a 9mm ccw and would like some input.

First I've been shooting for over 46yrs (since 7yrs old) so I have a lot of experience with handguns and rifles. I only have limited experience with striker fired guns though. I've been attempting to settle on a concealed carry weapon for a while now but none are available to shoot locally. So your thoughts are appreciated.

Anyhow, I have several Bersa Thunder 380's which I consider to be excellent guns and some of the most accurate I've ever shot. I love these guns and I am a fan of Bersa. These are DA/SA hammer fired. They have a really smooth trigger with a crisp break. The trigger is one of my main considerations because I am accustomed to being highly accurate. So my inquiry is mostly in regards to the trigger action on these guns and how you feel they serve as a ccw.

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I recently purchased a Bersa Bp9cc. The two biggest features which tilted in its favor over other guns is it is very thin (good for cc) and the trigger gets rave reviews. It is a nice gun but I personally found the trigger to be poor despite being a 4.5# pull, sorry. It is not smooth and consequently I cannot be precise with it. The service center is looking at it at the moment but I really think it is just an inherent feature of it's striker fired mechanism.

Consequently I am considering the following now.....

1. Walther PPS. This and the Bersa Bp9cc were my top two initial considerations. The trigger is supposed to be excellent on the PPS. Any input in that regards and to it's accuracy and concealability?

2. Sig Sauer p365. Quite honestly I didn't come across this for my initial considerations. It is extremely interesting being so small; however does it's size cause it to be really snappy and does accuracy suffer due to it's size? Also, what is the trigger like at the range?

3. Ruger Security 9 "compact". Ok, this one is really jumping at me! It is a hammer fired pistol with a SA trigger. Man, I can only imagine it is really smooth? Is that the case and how does it carry for ccw work?

4. Kahr? These fit a lot of my criteria but they are lower capacity with longer and heavier trigger pulls. I can get night sights with my top pics at excellent prices as well. So the Kahrs seem low on my list unless someone can convince me they are better than the above?

A few things high on my criteria are as follows.
*Something around 1in wide. I can go thinner but I really don't want anything much wider at all.
*A smooth trigger pull and around 5lbs or 5.5 lbs. It can be even lower but I really don't desire anything any heavier minus a viable trigger modification.
*Something preferably around 6in in length. I can go slightly longer or shorter.
*Something around 20oz in weight. 18oz to 22oz is acceptable.



Again, your input is appreciated.

God Bless,
Ralph

Thanks for the quick responses and keep them coming!

Yes, yes. I had considered the Kahr p9 Unclenunzie!. In fact, I thought about including it in my list but it lagged behind in a few features compared to the others.

1) First, I cannot stand the single dot rear sight on the p9. Can those be changed out for night sights and at what cost? The Walther PPS m2 Le and Sig come with night sights already at an acceptable price.
2) The p9 has a longer trigger pull and as I recall a heavier trigger pull? Can you confirm and comment on that. How does it compare to the Walther PPS? I really desire something around 5.5lbs or lower.
3) The Kahr has less capacity than the others unless you go with the extended magazine which is hideous looking.
4) Lastly, I somewhat desire something with an external safety. This is low on my criteria though because 95% of the time the safety would be disengaged. There are just a few instances when I may desire to have it engaged though (hiking, Church security). But no deal breaker here. A good holster and proper habits are most important.

Tell me more about the Kahrs though and how they compare to the Walther PPS. Do you have the PPS m2 version? The Kahr looks great and it checks off with most of my criteria with exception of above.

Thanks,
Ralph

Fine Figure of a Man said:

....I have a PPQ M1 that I like very much. Probably larger than you are looking to carry, there is a subcompact version that may be worth a look.......I am very happy with my P365. It is a very nice shooter for such a small gun. I was not expecting to like it as much as I do, normally preferring larger handguns.

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Hello FF-Man,
Yes, as I have read the PPQ trigger is the standard for striker fired guns. How does the PPQ trigger compare to the p365 trigger? Is one better/smoother than the other? How accurate do you find the p365 to be? I mean what is the best groupings you are capable of getting (free hand) at 30ft? Can you consistantly hit center mass at 80ft? Does it point naturally and can you follow up quickly? How is it with rapid fire? All in comparison to the Walther PPQ.

God Bless,
Ralph

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Thanks for the input. I am also really interested in the Ruger Security 9 compact if anyone can elaborate on that particular gun also.

Thanks,
Ralph

I truly appreciate all the input and I have adjusted my criteria. In part because of your input but also because there is one gun that just keeps coming back up. Its always been at the top of my interest but I ruled it out because it was a little wider than desired. However, every time I handle that gun I am just amazed at how it feels in my hand.

I stopped by several gun stores and a pawn shop over the last days and I was able to make some decisions. Anyhow, here is where I am for those of you who may be interested.

1) I am no longer considering the Sig p365. I've decided I really prefer a slightly larger 9mm. It's a great gun but it just doesn't feel good in my hands at all. I also have a hard time picking up the sights. The Sig p365xl could be of interest though.

2) The Ruger Security 9 Compact is now off my list or at least very low. I was finally able to get my hands on one and it felt very blocky and large. In fact, I initially thought the clerk possibly handed me the full size Security 9.

3) The Walther PPS is also lower on my list now. The gun felt good and the size was great but I didn't like the trigger. It was very gritty like my Bersa Bp9cc and also had that "wall" right before the break which I really do not prefer. I am more accustomed to a smooth trigger pull that just breaks.

4) The Kahr's are now at the top of my list! A pawn shop had a Kahr K9 and Kahr CW9 that I was able to look at. Although the trigger pulls on those models are longer than I desire they were amazingly smooth!!! They felt just like my Bersa Thunder 380's or a really smooth revolver. If they have one with a shorter and lighter trigger pull, or a trigger enhancement available, then I may have found my gun. For those of you who have a Kahr do you find rapid firing to be difficult and challenging with the long trigger pull? How is your accuracy with precision shots and rapid fire?

Jeb Stuart. I never said I didn't like DAO triggers. I just do not want a long and heavy DA trigger. Kahr has done an amazing job with their triggers.


5) The Walther CCP m2 is officially #1 on my list now. That gun peaked my interest from the beginning because 1) it has a fixed barrel like my Thunder 380's which are extremely accurate, 2) it has a lower recoil which could be crucial in a ccw and 3) I've never felt a pistol that feels better in my hands.

Lastly. Priler we have several Thunder 380's. One for my wife and one for my daughter. I also owned a Thunder 380cc which has been my primary carry gun for the last 2 years. I just sold it because the standard Thunder 380's conceal just as well and have better sights. In addition, I am looking to add a 9mm to my rotation so the Thunder 380cc just didn't fit in anymore. We will always keep the standard models though.

God Bless,
Ralph