Concealed backpack carry...

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ROCK6

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Just finished up a 106 mile (un-supported/no resupply) section of the Appalachian Trail (GA/NC). I planned for 9 days, but finished in 7 days and a wake up. Weather was great, so a couple days I was able to add a few extra miles with the longest day being 20 miles in about 9 hours...

A lot of talk on the trail about the "machete killer" incident just a few weeks ago up. I always CCW on the trail where legal and my primary handgun has been my Kahr CM9. Four-legged threats are really non-existent, but the two-legged threats present the most risk; however, even that is assessed as a very low risk. Regardless, I carry because I can and I enjoy it despite the added weight. I'm no ultralightweight backpacker, but I do weigh and assess every item in my pack, keeping excess and redundancy to a bear minimum.

Since this trip was with no resupply, my pack choice and base weight were much heavier than normal. My typical "base weight" (everything in the pack minus food, fuel, and water as they fluctuate depending on the length, season, and type of conditions on the trail), is normally about 12-13 pounds. This trip, that was bumped up to almost 16 pounds with a few extra items I wanted to test.

My CCW platform has been a Hill People Gear Kit Bag for the past decade plus. My favorite is their smaller Snubby Original. These are a pretty discreet and versatile carry platform. with several advantages. I must have seen a 50 other backpackers, hung out at a shelter with a few, ate my dinner around some when at the shelters; all while wearing my Kit Bag. Not a single question or curiosity except from one lady who was prior service and thought it was some type of Army-issued bag.

Versatile, as I'm able to carry my phone, map, compass, snacks, Bic lighter, etc. in the front area that is easily accessed while hiking. While it is comfortable with a pack, it does trap some heat in the chest area, but I've found it tolerable as my whole body gets pretty soaked when trekking in the hotter/humid months here in the Southeast. The best attribute is the ability to integrate very well with a pack without interfering with the should straps, waist-belt and suspension. It's also nice as a stand-alone for when I dump my pack but have to hike up to a quarte- mile to collect water.

Access is excellent. While you can draw it one handed with either hand, it's cumbersome. However, with two hands, it's quite fast and with the proper technique zero issues of "flagging" yourself. More importantly, since I hike with trekking poles, I've done several live-fire drills with my poles and I'm able to access, draw, and shoot with my poles (pole straps are laced through onto your wrists, so they'll dangle when shooting from a standing position).

Over all, a good gut-check and the CCW is one of my acceptable-weight, "comfort items" that is just part of my standard backpacking kit. The Kit Bags are simply of the best methods I've found over the years that works perfectly as intended when you're better off carrying concealed vice open carry.

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I used to fret for months prior to a backpack / fishing trip as to how I would carry. I've never found a good way to conceal a handgun on a backpack's waist band that's easily accessible, and leaving it in the pack is obviously not a great solution. And like you mentioned, I don't want the extra heat of a chest pack as I fish and hike mostly in the humid midwest and I'd still prefer to have easier access than a zippered pouch.

For me, pocket carry works the best and that's what I've settled on. I take a j-frame on shorter day hikes, and an LCP when backpacking.
 
Pocket carry just isn't an option for me when backpacking; I want nothing in my pockets but a very small folder like the Spyderco Dragonfly I carry. Anything in my pocket is going to be problematic trekking longer distances...I've tried. There are a lot of options available, even for concealed carry, and the HPG Kit Bag is just about perfect for my needs on distance-backpacking. The goal is to find what works best for your particular activity, practice accessing/drawing it, and use it.

ROCK6
 
Interesting piece of gear. When I was in the mil, some of the guys liked to place a similar pouch on the chest area of the body armor, but with some different contents. It seems to me that having that thing mounted at waist level may improve comfort and airflow?
 
I read about these awhile ago. Some folks don't care to carry on their hip, and some don't care for it while hiking long distance. I don't really back pack, but 10-16 mile day hikes do happen, though with less frequency than they used too. Work is just, well it's just so much work.

I've seen several good reviews of these Hill People packs. Chest carry isn't for me, but they seem a good option for those looking for this type of setup.
 
I read about these awhile ago. Some folks don't care to carry on their hip, and some don't care for it while hiking long distance. I don't really back pack, but 10-16 mile day hikes do happen, though with less frequency than they used too. Work is just, well it's just so much work.
Hey, 460! W0rk is a four letter word. Right up there with co!d and sn0w.
 
It was in the news just a day or two back that the machete killer has been arrested! I have the Hill People Gear Recon bag and really like it.
 
Pocket carry just isn't an option for me when backpacking; I want nothing in my pockets but a very small folder like the Spyderco Dragonfly I carry. Anything in my pocket is going to be problematic trekking longer distances...I've tried. There are a lot of options available, even for concealed carry, and the HPG Kit Bag is just about perfect for my needs on distance-backpacking. The goal is to find what works best for your particular activity, practice accessing/drawing it, and use it.

ROCK6

I'm with you on nothing in the pockets on long treks, too hard to access readily and it is not comfortable. My pack has an integrated waist belt with a flap pouch that's conducive to a subcompact or smaller firearm.

Beautiful pictures, so when's the pacific crest trail, start in Mexico up to Canada?
 
It depends on the hike. I don't get to go on super long treks much anymore. Depending on the distance and difficulty I may just strap it to my hip in an open top leather pancake.

I've thought about simply going with a belly band worn low and over the tops of my pants and bottom of my shirt. This would keep most of the heat off my stomach yet displace a lot of the weight. It would allow me to keep a compact 9mm close at hand along with my phone and a multi tool in the pockets. Should i drop or lose my pack I'd have a way to protect myself, fashion tools, and most importantly call for help or navigate myself out of a situation that would be strapped to me.

For me, my pack is going to be very basic. We day hike. So a couple bottles of water, a light lunch, bug spray, and a small med kit is about all we need. I do keep a small stash of tender and fire making supplies and a good compact flashlight as well.
 
Use to day hike a lot with my older brother when I was younger. Carried most everything in a medium size backpack while keeping our CCWs in either an OWB holster, or if we were wearing jackets, in a shoulder holster.
 
I hike for work rather than pleasure.. but I cover a lot of country with this setup. I never liked the heat build up of the hill people check pack so I made this. The webbing is all thin enough to not be noticeable worn underneath the pack straps. Note though, I hav never had to worry about concealment where I hike. For trails near populated areas a chest pack is probably the way to go.
I keep thinking I’ll make a new kydex holster to mount directly onto the shoulder straps of my backpack... but it hasn’t happened yet.
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Tell us about your revolver (make/model & caliber). Have you ever needed it? If so, tell us about it.
Is started life as a s&w 327pd (8-shot .357 , moon clip cut) then I made it into a switch-barrel a-la Dan Wesson. https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/327pd-mid-project.795489/
I normally carry it with the 3” barrel as pictured.

I have needed it... and used it. Closest call was a cougar at under 15’. I have been chased by black bears and moose ( though never had to shoot any), surrounded by wolves and killed several rattlesnakes.
 
Interesting piece of gear. When I was in the mil, some of the guys liked to place a similar pouch on the chest area of the body armor, but with some different contents. It seems to me that having that thing mounted at waist level may improve comfort and airflow?

The only reason it’s so high is to not interfere with the pack’s waistbelt, which is where the majority of the pack’s weight should be carried. For multiday, longer backpacking distances, you figure out quickly what works and doesn’t when it comes to carrying a pack. While comfort is nice, discomfort can lead to rashes or significant fatigue.

Also, I’ve forded a few smaller rivers, and it’s nice to have my Kit Bag and CCW “high and dry”, allowing me to traverse water over my waist if needed. I did swim with my Kit Bag, and it works; not sure if the newer ones have drain holes, but they’re needed if you are around water (such as kayaking or fishing).

It depends on the hike. I don't get to go on super long treks much anymore. Depending on the distance and difficulty I may just strap it to my hip in an open top leather pancake.

For me, my pack is going to be very basic. We day hike. So a couple bottles of water, a light lunch, bug spray, and a small med kit is about all we need. I do keep a small stash of tender and fire making supplies and a good compact flashlight as well.

On several occasions for day hikes, I’ve gone IWB or OWB with a lighter day pack. I only have issue if you’re talking much longer distances with a heavier pack. Most day packs don’t carry weight on the waist belt, it’s mostly used to just keep your pack secured to our body and not flopping around. Using an OWB/IWB is fine as long as you can access it.

I hike for work rather than pleasure.. but I cover a lot of country with this setup. I never liked the heat build up of the hill people check pack so I made this. The webbing is all thin enough to not be noticeable worn underneath the pack straps. Note though, I hav never had to worry about concealment where I hike. For trails near populated areas a chest pack is probably the way to go.

I keep thinking I’ll make a new kydex holster to mount directly onto the shoulder straps of my backpack... but it hasn’t happened yet.

Nice setup! Open carry (and on the chest when using a backpack) is the fastest-access, and likely most comfortable setup. While that would be my preference, the higher AT population just makes CCW easier to avoid confrontations. While most are typically fine on the trail, the AT has unfortunately attracted some snowflakes who like drugs more than the 2A. Open carry on the AT would just be like constantly poking the bee hive…and it’s not why I’m on the trail.

I can really recommend Kydex over leather. As much as I love leather, it’s a chore to keep it waxed and as water repellent as possible. Kydex would make a great choice for that style of holster with the ability to have excellent retention if you took a tumble.

I easily have over a 1000 trail miles with Kit Bags, most on the AT, some on the PCT and Olympics, several around southern Utah (Zion, Arches, Bryce Canyon, the Badlands, Glacier, etc.). That doesn’t include a lot of mountain biking, kayaking, and fly-fishing use. While they’re not for everyone, they’re worked perfectly for me and have become a staple piece of my outdoors kit.

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Is started life as a s&w 327pd (8-shot .357 , moon clip cut) then I made it into a switch-barrel a-la Dan Wesson. https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/327pd-mid-project.795489/
I normally carry it with the 3” barrel as pictured.

I have needed it... and used it. Closest call was a cougar at under 15’. I have been chased by black bears and moose ( though never had to shoot any), surrounded by wolves and killed several rattlesnakes.
You've definitely gotten your money's worth out of that revolver. I'm sure many of us here at High Road would very much enjoy reading more about your experiences. Stay safe.
 
I'd recommend checking out the Benton MacKaye Trail, if you haven't already done so. My brother and I had logged some miles on it and had a great time. It's far less busy than the AT, and is only shoulders wide in a few places. He has unfortunately passed far too soon, but I do enjoy thinking back on our trips there.

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You've definitely gotten your money's worth out of that revolver. I'm sure many of us here at High Road would very much enjoy reading more about your experiences. Stay safe.
YES! I'm for hearing more also.

bluejeans said:
Is started life as a s&w 327pd (8-shot .357 , moon clip cut) then I made it into a switch-barrel a-la Dan Wesson. https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/327pd-mid-project.795489/
I normally carry it with the 3” barrel as pictured.
I have needed it... and used it. Closest call was a cougar at under 15’. I have been chased by black bears and moose ( though never had to shoot any), surrounded by wolves and killed several rattlesnakes.

Glad you're safe. Those mooses can downright boogie when they're of a mind to cover ground.
 
Not a big fan of chest carry (too hot in the desert for me). Check out the Wilderness Safepacker. It keeps the weight on the hipbelt, which I also prefer. Stealthy but pretty quick to draw.
 
For a back packing/hiking sidearm I picked up a Sig 938 Legion, I've had it for about 7 months and fired at least 500 rounds through it with out a malfunction. This has became my daily CC gun, the gun empty w/o a mag weighs 17.6 oz, the empty mag weighs 1.8 oz, kydex holster 2.2 oz
 
That Hill People Gear Kit Bag doesn’t appear “Tactical”, which I like. I no longer hike but would like a pack for short jaunts and it seems all I can find that meets my carry needs looks tactical. The packs that do not look tactical make poor choices for carrying a handgun.

Thank you for the tip and the photos, Rocks.
 
I've done a fair bit of backpack carry over the years.

For heavy pack hiking in places like southern Oregon I installed a horizontal tube through the bottom compartment of my pack so that the gun or other weapon would be flat against my back and wouldn't be weighed down by the rest of the stuff in the compartment. Closure was by a few velcro dots at first, eventually replaced by sewn in snaps. Usual weapons carried were a '58 Remington on the right, short machete on the left. Only the machete actually got used.

For light packing I used an old framed Boy Scout pack with the weapons attached to the frame, accessible from top or bottom and hidden by the suspension sleeve that protected my back from the frame. Weapons varied and were never got used, even when I was bicycling through Compton or other parts of south central Los Angeles.
 
Haven't been on the AT since about 197.........6, I guess. Never even thought about safety or security back then. Always had a stout walking stick and felt like I was the biggest threat out there. Ah, youth.......and changing times.
 
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