bannockburn
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I enjoy shooting single action revolvers. That's why I just bought one.
I don't enjoy being in deadly force situations. I especially don't like being at a qualitative disadvantage in a deadly force situation.
If you boot a cowboy action match, you go home and practice some more.
If I boot a self-defense shooting, my mother holds a ludicrously extravagant funeral for me that I don't want.
This discussion wasn't about range shooting or cowboy action. It was about defensive carry.
I've been known to drop a J-frame in my pocket more than a few times, a convenience thing on a hot day when it's difficult to get away with anything bigger, but if something started to unfold I'd much rather have any big single action.I am continually amazed at the number of people who don't blink an eye at carrying a 5-shot J-frame S&W in the pocket of their cargo shorts, and if they even have a reload it's a speed-strip, but they go apoplectic over someone competently carrying a single action loaded with 5 rounds of 44 Special, 44WCF, or 45 Colt. Then there's the newer designed SAs like the Rugers that safely carry 6 rounds. Still they think the guy with the Chief's Special is better off. Good grief!
Dave
I am continually amazed at the number of people who don't blink an eye at carrying a 5-shot J-frame S&W in the pocket of their cargo shorts, and if they even have a reload it's a speed-strip, but they go apoplectic over someone competently carrying a single action loaded with 5 rounds of 44 Special, 44WCF, or 45 Colt. Then there's the newer designed SAs like the Rugers that safely carry 6 rounds. Still they think the guy with the Chief's Special is better off. Good grief!
Dave
Just never as fast or as effective as with my Citadel 3.5cs, Glock 19 or S&W Model 65.Maybe more time with it will persuade you that they can be quite fast and effective.
You can run that little J frame one handed pretty quick.
SA rev you can run one handed and I bet it's slower and a bit sloppy.
Better to go two, if right handed, hold and shoot right, thumb left. Can run em pretty fast that way, and accurate.
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The Security Six was a good gun, which I like better than the GP100. I had 6" when I was in the Army in the '80s. Back then female MPs who couldn't handle M1911s were issued .38 Special Police Service Sixes.I carry a single-action .38 spl from Cimarron with 4 3/4" barrel in truck, tractor, and when hiking/camping. Used the gun for a while and feel comfortable with it. Its fairly light-weight, reasonably accurate. Mostly outdoors and not concealed.
Took my CC class with a short-barreled Ruger Security Six shooting single action using 2 hands. Was the only one with a revolver. Outshot everyone in class. Not that I'm that good, they were that bad. I've been shooting Security Sixes for over 30 yrs. Most of them had either borrowed a gun or had just bought one and had not shot it til class. Best to stick with what you know and practice enough that it all comes automatically.
You can run that little J frame one handed pretty quick.
SA rev you can run one handed and I bet it's slower and a bit sloppy.
Better to go two, if right handed, hold and shoot right, thumb left. Can run em pretty fast that way, and accurate.
Like me a J frame just fine. Am pretty quick w a speedloader too.
I'm so glad you said this. I saw the video with the little girl from Gunsite, who taught this left-handed cocking technique. After shooting the single action as many years as I have, it wouldn't have mattered to me if it was better. It was too late for me to change habits ingrained over multiple decades.Shooting two handed, cocking with the off hand, takes up too much time and requires the gun to be too high, nearly at eye level. Also requires that the off hand be unoccupied.
Such stance and cadence is fine it the range is out far enough and time permits deliberate aiming.
Bob Wright
For defensive shooting, do not think in terms of groups. What is important is the balance of speed and precision.A while back I was shooting some fairly fast double action groups with a Chiefs Special and a friend said that those groups were just as good as what I could do with the six-inched barreled L-frame with the same target loads. He was right, but he didn't account for the difference in time.
yFor defensive shooting, do not think in terms of groups. What is important is the balance of speed and precision.
Usually, precision should be sufficient to say within the area of the upper chest.
Speed? One really should avail oneself of some good defensive pistol training . One will need to shoot a whole lot more rapidly than most people imagine.
Actually "a" quick hit somewhere in the chest cavity may suffice sometimes, but often it may not.For what it's worth, I agree with you that a quick hit somewhere in the chest cavity should be the initial goal in a defensive situation--that is If I'm correct in understanding your meaning and haven't misrepresented your thoughts.
Actually "a" quick hit somewhere in the chest cavity may suffice sometimes, but often it may not.
Hitting something critical within the envelope is very much a matter of chance, and several quick hits are recommended.
Considering that the advancing target may be moving at around 5 meters per second, that he will be very close, and that the stop will not be instantaneous, that means several very quick hits.
We learn those things though education, and we learn how to do it through training.
My arthritis, bad knees, and neuropathy make additional training a non-starter at this point.