lining BP cartridge cases with paper?

troy fairweather · Jun 19, 2019

i was just thinking has any one lined the brass case with paper to cut down on fouling in the case, i would think it would help keep the inside cleaner. i read that if the case is not cleaned good on firing the brass can stretch and fail. i have seen cases worn on the in side from cleaning them alot, and seen pitting.

if any one has tried this i would be interested if it worked, if its not a thing i may test and see if it helps. thanks troy.

Steel Horse Rider · Jun 19, 2019

The only reference I can recall about paper and black powder is using paper to wrap the bullet before it is inserted into the case. Don't know why.

Tommygunn · Jun 19, 2019

Steel Horse Rider said:
The only reference I can recall about paper and black powder is using paper to wrap the bullet before it is inserted into the case. Don't know why.

Paper patch; it helped the bullet to engage the rifling more effectively.

I doubt it would help keep brass clean as it would burn up on ignition.

troy fairweather · Jun 19, 2019

Tommygunn said:
Paper patch; it helped the bullet to engage the rifling more effectively.

I doubt it would help keep brass clean as it would burn up on ignition.

i am not talking about paper patches, i am thinking off lining the in side of the case.

Loyalist Dave · Jun 20, 2019

Not sure how unburned cellulous [paper] that thin is going to a) not burn or b) prevent carbon buildup on the walls of the case?

BP deflagrates at temps at 801°F but paper burns at 451°F.
Black Powder technology is old, and thus compared to modern tech, is flawed. One of the flaws are the problems of cleaning brass cases when using BP cartridges. Another is the fouling of the barrel after each shot in a muzzle loader. There are still more....

LD

PapaG · Jun 20, 2019

I can see no good reason to waste the time doing this. Throw the empties in soapy water when you get home. They will turn dark. Tumble to polish if it bothers you.

MEHavey · Jun 20, 2019

Bottom Line: No matter what one might do w/ a liner of any type, you're still going to have to wash the case out.
Might as well stay au naturale. . . and nakedly simple.

Tommygunn · Jun 20, 2019

troy fairweather said:
i am not talking about paper patches, i am thinking off lining the in side of the case.

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I was refering to the bullets being paper patched; see Steel Horse Rider's post.
I agree with earlier posters above, paper will just burn and do little, except take up space from the powder charge.
As long as you're using black powder you will deal with residue and dirty cases more than modern reloaders will.
It comes with the territory.

Me? I LOVE the smell of the Holy Black in the morning!

whughett · Jun 20, 2019

I just dump mine into a large container with SimpleGreen, full strength, a quick shake and hot water rinse and they are good to go. I've lost track on how many times they have been loaded. I just shoot them until the case mouth splits.

TheOutlawKid · Jun 20, 2019

I dont shoot brass so i dont know...but what about a thin painted on coat of water glass? It holds up to temp extremes in furnaces etc. And its also used as a glue. Good thing is its thin enough to "paint" a coat on whatever u want...and it dries slick so you should be able to wipe/rinse it clean easily. Dunno if it will work...but its an idea. U can buy or make the stuff easily. Its a very strong adhesive and they use it to coat cement too.

44 Dave · Jun 20, 2019

Troy, try a few with and without and report back to us

Jackrabbit1957 · Jun 20, 2019

It also helps to anneal your cases. This helps with the work hardening that makes the case brittle. You still gotta wash them out.

BullRunBear · Jun 20, 2019

I've heard of paper patched bullets of course but never even a hint of lining the case with paper or anything else. It only takes me a few seconds to clean a BP case once they've been soaking. I assume it would take longer to line the case than clean it.

Jeff

arcticap · Jun 20, 2019

BullRunBear said:
I've heard of paper patched bullets of course but never even a hint of lining the case with paper or anything else. It only takes me a few seconds to clean a BP case once they've been soaking. I assume it would take longer to line the case than clean it.

Jeff

You've heard of one now -- Kynoch .577 drawn brass w/paper liner --->>> https://forum.cartridgecollectors.org/t/kynoch-577-drawn-brass-w-paper-liner/24533

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BullRunBear · Jun 20, 2019

Arcticap, Thanks for the link. I learn new things everytime I sign on here.

Jeff

troy fairweather · Jun 20, 2019

44 Dave said:
Troy, try a few with and without and report back to us

ya ill try a few, i only have pyrodex but that's good anuff.

troy fairweather · Jun 20, 2019

Jackrabbit1957 said:
It also helps to anneal your cases. This helps with the work hardening that makes the case brittle. You still gotta wash them out.

ya i think ill do that, i got about 60 to do and 26 45-100 cases, wish i had a torch the stove top works lol.

troy fairweather · Jun 20, 2019

arcticap said:
You've heard of one now -- Kynoch .577 drawn brass w/paper liner --->>> https://forum.cartridgecollectors.org/t/kynoch-577-drawn-brass-w-paper-liner/24533

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i thought i seen it some where lol. i think it helps with case stretching with large columns of powder.

Jim Watson · Jun 20, 2019

I have seen mention but not picture of a "cardboard tube" in .45-55-405 for the Trapdoor carbine. Presumably to reduce case volume with the lighter load, avoiding undesirable air space.

Trying to keep the brass clean is a wild goose chase.
I decapped on the range and took brass home in soapy water. Wet tumbling with ceramic or steel pins took care of the cleaning.

troy fairweather · Jun 20, 2019

Jim Watson said:
I have seen mention but not picture of a "cardboard tube" in .45-55-405 for the Trapdoor carbine. Presumably to reduce case volume with the lighter load, avoiding undesirable air space.

Trying to keep the brass clean is a wild goose chase.
I decapped on the range and took brass home in soapy water. Wet tumbling with ceramic or steel pins took care of the cleaning.

ya a good soak works good, but sometimes that cant happen. plus i don't have a tumblr.

Jim Watson · Jun 20, 2019

I scrubbed a lot of .38-55 with a test tube brush before I got a tumbler.

MEHavey · Jun 21, 2019

Washing the case out (just take a 410 shotgun swab and pump water in and out in a bowl of soapy water) is all that`s REQUIRED. Tumbling just puts shine on an otherwise perfectly serviceable case after that.

drobs · Jun 21, 2019

Disregard.

krinko · Jun 21, 2019

Soapy water in a resealable glass jar---

When I'm shooting the .577 Snider, or the Kynoch .450 Martini brass, I will go to extremes because brass is very expensive.
-----krinko

792mauser · Jun 29, 2019

I've seem some Euro 9mm cases that are extremely thick at the base to reduce volume. Reduce internal volume and reduce powder to keep pressures equal.

I've kinda done this with my 45-70 carbine loads. Found at work a few meter long thick hollow cardboard tubes that just fit in the 45-70 cases. Reduced the volume to just about 45 grains and were a joy to shoot.

No real diffrence in cleanliness, just a charred hard to remove mess in the case. I think whatever glue it used didn't like to burn.

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