Your Thoughts, Castle Doctrine

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Too bad other users can't read the mind of the person posting!!! My point was that a BG will likely beat up the homeowner even with no logical reason to do so.

Check out the video, the thread is at https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/situational-awareness-or-don’t-sit-on-your-porch.850663/ in ST&T. 79-year-old kept saying "Get outta here" with nothing to back it up, alternating with "You're hurting me!", which, duh, was BG's intention, so BG just kept on keeping on.
Not quite sure why you're taking me to task about this,we're in agreement. I was replying to the Fiv3r who said:
If I am armed and they are content to just take my stuff, that's fine. I don't own a single thing that is so rare, so un-insurable, so priceless that is worth taking a life over. I don't want blood on my hands over my 4 year old xbox and my $500 TV.
My point to him was exactly what you said here, you can't know why someone is breaking in so you can't assume it's NOT to do bodily harm to you or your loved ones and to take appropriate action to remove the threat, either stated or implied, by using the gun with which he stipulated was indeed armed.
 
You're interpreting this in a more binary fashion than I am. I'm not saying I would give the invader a questionnaire as to if he was after stuff or blood. If I'm sitting on the couch with the family and my door is kicked in, yes I am reacting with violence.
If i am upstairs, family fortified, and have a clear line of sight of the only way up or down, no I will not be using my Castle Doctrine rights to confront an unknown threat over a couple of thousand dollars worth of stuff that is fully insured.

First off, I don't have an upstairs, so we are on the same floor as any orc who kicks in my door. Second, most home invaders aren't looking to wrestle a big tv and a gaming system or whatever else is in the front of my house, they're most likely going for the jewelry and what they imagine are squirreled away in the back of the house where we are "forted up".
I'm sorry, but if someone kicks in my door I am going to assume they have the absolute worst of intentions and am going to take what I have been trained is appropriate action.
 
Not quite sure why you're taking me to task about this,we're in agreement. I was replying to the Fiv3r who said:

My point to him was exactly what you said here, you can't know why someone is breaking in so you can't assume it's NOT to do bodily harm to you or your loved ones and to take appropriate action to remove the threat, either stated or implied, by using the gun with which he stipulated was indeed armed.
!? I was not taking you to task at all, I was reinforcing
If someone breaches the portcullis of your castle it's hard to know why he's doing so until it is too late. Also, they might not be coming in just to steal your console and tv without knocking you in the head in the process, him not knowing how you will respond to the orc in the living room.
 
BTW a lot of illegals can't read Spanish either. Ask me how I know...
My sister and I haven't had much trouble with actual illegals except for a few of Allah's followers that thought that we looked like easy marks in stopped traffic... until they noticed that I was putting on hearing protection and reaching for something else. Suddenly, I was alone.

My sister had a similar experience. When she got stopped in traffic by a bunch of big-beards she went straight for her Ruger, although her big grin probably was the scariest part.

No, most of the would-be bad dudes around here are wanna-be gang-bangers. They read Spanish just fine.
 
Put a couple of these in the yard

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If that doesn't scare the bad guys off I suspect all the ATF cars parked around your house will
 
If I am armed and they are content to just take my stuff, that's fine.
How do you KNOW what their intentions are?

If they're just thieves, they're going to avoid occupied dwellings.

If you're BOTH in your home at the same time, either they're lousy thieves, they're mentally impaired, by their own doing or otherwise, or they've got other things on their minds. They deserve ZERO benefit of the doubt.
 
Castle Doctrine? We have ADT signs up. My wife’s argument is no signs, let them find find out when the alarm goes off. My argument, maybe they’ll see the sign and move on. But who knows. If burglars, home invaders, and the like had proper functioning minds they would have a job, their own family, and homes. Don’t think we can apply our logical reasoning across the board to dysfunctional minds of outlaws.

As far as applying Castle Doctrine to a moment of intense stress and split second decisions? Well, hope it works out for anyone caught in that situation. I fear our legal system more than burglars. My stuff is just stuff and it’s insured. Do whatever’s necessary and right to protect life and limb. Sure, have a plan and be prepared. Worry about the legality system (not justice system) afterwards. Think that’s the best a person can do.
 
My sister and I haven't had much trouble with actual illegals except for a few of Allah's followers that thought that we looked like easy marks in stopped traffic... until they noticed that I was putting on hearing protection and reaching for something else. Suddenly, I was alone.

My sister had a similar experience. When she got stopped in traffic by a bunch of big-beards she went straight for her Ruger, although her big grin probably was the scariest part.

No, most of the would-be bad dudes around here are wanna-be gang-bangers. They read Spanish just fine.
No, I mean people who are native Spanish speakers. Many are illiterate in Spanish also.
 
How do you KNOW what their intentions are?

If they're just thieves, they're going to avoid occupied dwellings.

If you're BOTH in your home at the same time, either they're lousy thieves, they're mentally impaired, by their own doing or otherwise, or they've got other things on their minds. They deserve ZERO benefit of the doubt.
You hit the nail on the head. If they really just want your possessions, they first make sure nobody's home. Typical method is knock on door or ring bell, if someone answers make up a story like asking for directions, and leave; if nobody answers, go around the back and break in.
 
Don’t think we can apply our logical reasoning across the board to dysfunctional minds of outlaws.
+1
I don't even try to apply my own "logical reasoning" to the mind of my wife sometimes. That's probably one of the reasons we've been married for 48 years as of yesterday.:D
Seriously, I think you're right. I don't pay much attention to posts where the poster is explaining how outlaws, bad guys, druggies and such think. As a matter of fact, how does anyone know for sure how somebody else thinks?:confused:
 
Castle Doctrine? We have ADT signs up. My wife’s argument is no signs, let them find find out when the alarm goes off. My argument, maybe they’ll see the sign and move on. But who knows. If burglars, home invaders, and the like had proper functioning minds they would have a job, their own family, and homes. Don’t think we can apply our logical reasoning across the board to dysfunctional minds of outlaws.
I think ADT signs are a whole different story than a sign that says something like "Never Mind the Dog, Beware of Owner". The point of the ADT signs is to let BG's know they cannot break in undetected, and that persons not currently in the home will be responding. So they are a deterrent for burglars looking for unoccupied premises as well as BGs who want to also harm the occupants. A smarty-pants sign OTOH makes the owner look like they have an itchy trigger finger, which could possibly tip the scale in the wrong direction if the owner does shoot an invader and then has to face the authorities.
 
Professionals hit banks even with high levels of security.

Scums hit residences that does not even look livable.

Putting up signs like that can be a motive or a deterrent to the professional that knows what the sign means. At the same time, the scum does not know what it means and may just pass it up or otherwise.

In the end, it does not matter.

Preparedness and vigilance is the key. I know, I’m putting up measures as we all here are. It’s a personal domain, do what one thinks is best.
 
I'm sorry, but if someone kicks in my door I am going to assume they have the absolute worst of intentions ...

And lest we forget (appears some :confused:have) as so does the Law. As in, passed through your state's legislature. Sometime in the 1900s someone bled within their heart a wee bit, oh, Lil Johnny didn't mean it, he had a baaad childhood, I'll spare more etc., and changed it. THEN...ppl fed up with crime rates reintroduced HISTORICAL law and gave it the subtitle, ''Castle Doctrine'' , a term going back over 800 years, ''a man's home is his castle.''

What type of sign posted in front of...said castle is that owner's own projection of a deterrent effect. Would I post such? Probably not. Not my property, not my sign, not my business.
 
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