Please talk to me about rifling in used guns....

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I was looking some older Winchester Model 94's in .32 Special.

A 1958 model had rifling that was barely discernible to the eye. The bore was clean and shiny with no apparent rust or other corrosion but the lines of the rifling were thin and pencil like. The exterior of the gun and wood was very good for its age. The metal about 93% and the wood contained one or two small dings. Oddly, the fore stock and butt stock, while having the same grain, seemed ever so slightly off color which each other, the fore stock being a bit lighter than the butt stock. The owner assured me that they were both original wood.

An other M-94 date 1906 had much more distinct rifling that looked like a bold edition of what I saw in the first gun. The metal finish on this gun was about 65-70% (I am no expert). The wood was pretty good with no obvious dings or cracks.

A third model 94 that I looked at, Pre-64 but I don't know the year - I THINK 1927, had a bore so bright and shiny and clean that it was if I was looking in a mirror and could not see any rifling at all. I do not recall the exterior condition of this rifle.

I wish I could post pictures but just looking down the bores to inspect the rifling was hard enough. I used two methods. #1.- I placed a bore light directly in the open action and moved it around until I got the best view. #2.- I placed white tissue in the open action and reflected the light off the tissue into the bore. Each time I looked though the muzzle end to try to see the lines of rifling.

Here is my question. Would you conclude from my observations that the second gun, the 1906 mfg, has the best barrel and therefore would be the best of the three to purchase? This, assuming all actions and other parts moved easily and without being loose, etc.?

All advice and comments are welcomed. Thank you all.....
 
It's entirely possible that all three might have good rifling. If they are leaded up, but cleaned improperly, the lead filling the grooves will polish to a mirror finish and look like there's little or no rifling and practically a smooth bore. I've seen this regularly in .22's.

It does not make your choice any easier because you won't know till you can clean the bore properly and be sure the lead is really gone. I would be surprised if a 32Special could be shot out!
 
All things being equal, I would opt for the 1906 model with strong rifling. drband is correct that the rifling in the other two guns may be obscured by lead or copper deposits in grooves. I have a Marlin 1893 in .35-55 with light pitting end to end and some dark areas in the grooves, but is one of the most accurate of my lever guns with a 255 grain hard cast bullet and a moderate load. That said, the lands are sharp and distinct. I assume these are in a shop so you probably can't scrub the bores. So my advice stands for the 1906. Besides, it gets points for being over 100 years old!
 
I have had some rifles with totally abismal bores turn out to be pretty good shooters, so I guess one just never knows.
 
The '58 model would have been a carbine, but you don't mention if the other two are rifles or carbines.
I would tend to go for the rifle if that is a choice.

When I look at a gun like a '94 (where most view from the muzzle) I use a military 90 degree chamber mirror.
It lets me get a good look at the throat , where on a '94 (of the two earlier dated guns),
I would be looking for the erosive effects of mercuric primers.

Too much light in a bore can tend to wash out the view IMO. Better to use just enough to get a clear view.
I always put the gun in a static condition and adjust myself to the muzzle or chamber mirror
instead of just holding it while it wobbles around.

Study the muzzle as close as you can. You would be looking for uneven wear from a cleaning rod.
Again, the gun is standing up. I move around it.

You might get a good look at the bolt face and immediate breech area on all three.
Same thing, erosive primer effect and an idea of the cleaning care the gun was given.

I'd pick the best of the three based on those things, if looking for a gun that was to primarily be a shooter.

Good luck with your decision, and let us know (with photos!) when you decide.

JT
 
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