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I started shooting handgun about 15 months ago and one of the things I learned at the time I began was the importance of grasp pressure. I learned it from "Shooting to Live," where the advice is to grip the gun "as if it weighed twenty or thirty pounds," and "trembling due to the firm grip will not cause a wild shot." I also read, "The combination of the very firm grip and the pressure of the fully extended thumb are of great assistance in the proper release of the trigger. The firm grip helps also in two other ways. It ensures smoother action in raising the pistol from the 'ready' to the firing position and it counteracts the tendency to raise the pistol higher than the point of aim." [remember they were "Bowling"]

Because of this, I set about training my grip strength. My grip is not particularly weak, but had not been trained. I got one of those "Captains of Crush" grip trainers, the 100# "Trainer" version and would crush the handles until they touched about ten times whenever I had a moment at my desk. Unfortunately, I injured myself doing this. I must have ripped a tendon in my elbow. So I suffered from "tennis elbow" for a long time. I couldn't even squeeze the hand-priming tools without discomfort that I was concerned was extending my recovery. I did fully recover, but it took about 12 months.

In the following video, Grant Cunningham discusses "grasp pressure." He suggests backing the pressure off from the trembling level and practicing to grip with more of your strength, but neither he in this video nor the Shooting to Live text ever suggests increasing your available strength.



Do you practice your grasp pressure? Do you train to increase it?
 
Easy tip.

Point, and then stretch, your thumb at the target... hard.

Rearward pressure on your middle and ring fingers is only to facilitate driving your thumb forward.

This drives the web of the hand into, and the meat of the thumb around, the grip, locking it in place.

It will also isolate the trigger finger so that your press will be smooth.




GR
 
Mark Rippetoe's book, "Starting Strength" recommends this, to avoid injury when strength training... Start at a moderate level. Perform 3 sets of 6 reps. If you can't finish, your starting weight is too much, so back off until you can do 3 of 6.

Then graduate to 3 of 7, then of 8, then of 9. Exercise every other day. A day of rest is needed to repair muscle cells.

Once you manage 3 sets of 9, only then do you increase the resistance (2 days later).
 
Go shoot some competition, you will learn more in the first year about shooting fast and accurately than you will in a decade of shooting by yourself.

How tight a gun needs to be held is dependent on the gun, grips and load.

If we include all firearms, not just pistols, some of my best groups have been fired allowing the firearm to “free recoil” in other words the only input from me on the firearm was from pulling the 2oz trigger, after that it was on its own.
 
Long post, applicable only to pistols shot with some view towards combining speed and accuracy.

Firmness of grip is essential to effective recoil control in handguns if we care about time to 2nd shot. Firmness in grip with the weak/support hand can also cover up a bit of sloppiness in trigger press, but it's not otherwise related directly to accuracy itself. If you get into competitive action/practical pistol shooting, where being able to control the gun effectively while firing a lot of shots in the shortest amount of time you can manage is essential to the game, you will find a decent correlation between grip strength and performance.

Assuming this is the type of shooting we're talking about (whether for competition or self-defense), then, yeah, having a significant amount of hand strength is beneficial. Because it's hard to maintain fine motor control (despite blather about trying to use "gross motor skills" for handgun shooting, it's pretty much all fine motor control) when you're exerting 100% effort, you want a sufficient "excess" amount of strength to be able to apply a good deal of force to the grip of the gun while still only using about 80% of your strong-hand grip strength.

Most adult males in good health and with any kind of active lifestyle often have something like enough grip strength in their dominant hand without a lot of special training focus on grip strength. But many, many, many otherwise-strong people don't have nearly enough in their non-dominant hand. That's unfortunate, because, when it comes to freestyle pistol shooting, effective recoil control is driven more by the non-dominant hand than by the "strong" hand. Because of the location of the strong hand and the design of most pistols, the forearm ends up roughly behind the grip, and the 3-non-trigger fingers have direct access to the front strap of the gun. There's lots of interference fit between the gun and the right hand.

In contrast, the left hand is almost all dependent on a friction fit to apply any force to the gun. It is very common to see shooters whose pistol moves relative to their left hand in recoil - which means the gun is slipping from their grasp, and the left hand is adding little or nothing to recoil control. This is certainly one of the most common errors among new-to-USPSA/IPSC shooters, and it makes the kinds of split and transition times you want in that game absolutely impossible (at least while keeping shots after the first one anywhere near the target).

If you have doubt about whether this is happening, go shoot a "bill drill" at a close target. Rip 6 shots as fast as you can pull the trigger into a target. If possible, have someone video you from your left (if you are right handed) with a focus on the gun and your grip. At the end of the 6 shots, if you feel the need to re-grip the gun or if your left hand is arranged any differently than it was at the start of the 6 shots, then you are not gripping the gun effectively with your left hand. There can be basically 4 causes of this: 1) application of an insufficient percentage of available weak-hand strength; 2) lack of adequate available weak-hand strength; 3) lack of area of contact between the left hand and the gun; and/or 4) actual slipperiness of the grip.

Each has its own solution:
  1. Consciously grip harder with the weak hand. Squeeze as hard as you can. Unlike with the firing hand, where you need to maintain some level of relaxation for trigger speed and precision, you're not asking for much dexterity from the left hand, so there's no tradeoff (other than effort) for gripping harder.
  2. If you're already gripping as hard as you can, and you've eliminated #3 and #4 below, then it is essential to get more grip strength. You need to embark on some sort of grip-strengthening program, with particular attention to your weak hand. Suggestions are below.
  3. Lots of people fail to get an effective amount of left-hand flesh onto the gun. One common cause of this is having the right hand thumb curled down onto the grip. This serves only to block the most important contact area for the left hand - the upper portion of the grip panels or stippled area. Many people instinctively curl their strong-hand thumb down, as though they were making a fist, when they grip the gun. While this is sometimes necessary with revolvers, it is a distinctly sub-optimal way to grip a semi-automatic pistol. Even if your particular gun doesn't have a 1911-ish safety to ride, your right thumb should still be in about the same location/orientation is as if were riding the safety if you are trying to maximize recoil control through the use of the left hand. I see lots of new-to-competition shooters who have totally ineffective recoil control because their right thumb is basically forcing the heel of their left hand off the gun laterally. The gun goes off, the gun and right hand move together, and the left hand slides down the grip. After a couple of shots, they're re-gripping. May as well shoot Barney Miller teacup style for all the recoil control the left hand is providing (i.e., none whatsoever).
  4. Sometimes, grips just don't have much of a coefficient of static friction. If you combine that with sweaty hands, it's like trying to hold onto an inside-out banana. Effective checkering or texture matters in grips, particularly on the left side where friction is essential. If the grips are slick, replace them or checker/stipple them, or get some skateboard tape on there.
OK, let's say you've decided to build hand strength, particularly in your weak-hand. How do you do it? Here are some suggestions:

  • Conventional grip trainers are effective, although a lot of the ones available at sporting goods stores are simply too soft to be effective for getting to the levels of grip strength we want. The Ironmind CoC ones are good, but they can be just slightly too rough and, for some, too stiff. I happen to like the Ironmind Excelsior grip trainers - similar to the CoC (and same maker), they have smooth handles that won't wear out your skin, and run about a half-step softer than the equivalent CoC trainers (e.g., an Excelsior #2 seems to be between a #1 and #2 CoC). A #1 from either series is sufficiently stiff to serve the vast majority of people. I keep an Excelsior #1 and #2 in my office and use them on conference calls! I find that most men can close the #1 with their strong hand, but a good many cannot do it, or can only do it once or twice with their weak hand.
  • It helps to get a grip dyno (a device that measures squeezing force) to track progress. Here's a cheap one: https://www.amazon.com/CAMRY-Dynamometer-Strength-Measurement-Capturing/dp/B00A8K4L84/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=5YQNNQ7MOPCD&keywords=camry+grip+strength&qid=1561643438&s=gateway&sprefix=camry+gri,aps,166&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1 I have one and like it. It has held up to several years of use. It's fun to take it to a shooting match and have people grip it... you may notice the correlation I mentioned above between grip strength and shooters with better recoil control.
  • Hand and forearm muscles are small. The good news is that their relatively small size makes recovery quick. If you work your forearms to the point of fatigue, they will likely be recovered by the next day. It's also possible to add strength pretty quickly. I think you can add 20% to your gripping strength faster than you can quickly add 20% to your bench press, for instance. The bad news is that these small muscles atrophy pretty quickly if not used. If you stop working them, you'll go back to near-baseline grip strength really, really fast.
  • There are other hand and forearm muscles to be trained other than the ones used for closing a grip trainer, and there is some "unbalancing" injury risk in training only the contractor muscles. And additional dimensions of strength can only help. So here are some other things to add to the grip-training regimen:
    • Bring your thumb and fingertips together to a single point - as if you were grasping a pen to write, but with all 5 digits, not just 2-3. Put a rubber band around them, and open (and close) the fingers against this resistance. This is working the extensor action that is opposite the contractor action of the grip trainer. Just a few reps may tire your forearms out, but some think this provides some protection against injury from the contractor training.
    • Using light dumbells: Brace your forearms on your thighs while seated. Grasp the dumbells palm up, and roll your whole hand (and the weight) upward (almost like making a come-here motion with your hand). Do a few of those, then flip to a palms-down orientation. Raise the dumbell (almost like making a stop-traffic motion with your hand). Some contend this is a good preventative measure against tendonitis/shooter's elbow.
    • Using a pair of baseball bats, stand with your hands by your sides. Grasp the bats at the end of the handle like you were grabbing ski-poles/walking sticks. Keeping your arms against your sides, using only your wrists, pivot the bats upward through an arc until they touch (or nearly touch) your rear shoulder blades. Lower them and repeat. After doing enough of these to feel fatigue in your forearms and hands, turn the bats around, and raise them through a forward arc to your pectorals - again, with your arms locked at your sides. These exercises are good for strengthening the muscles involved in "locking the wrist."
    • Lots of weak-hand strengthening (and dexterity training, good for one-handed weak-hand shooting) can be done by simply forcing yourself to do common one-handed tasks with your off hand (alright, settle down in the back of the class there). Next time you need to use a screwdriver, use your weak hand. Dial phone numbers on with your left hand. Comb your hair or brush your teeth with your left hand. Your hands have lots of little muscles in them, and the fine motor control demands of these tasks will strengthen them. It will also condition you to the feeling of focusing your attention on your weak hand and using it.
  • Unfortunately, pretty much everyone who does grip training, or otherwise uses lots of grip strength, ends up with occasional visits from the tendonitis fairy. There may well be times you just have to set this stuff aside for a week or two.
  • I think Charlie Perez is one of the most thoughtful shooters on this topic. If this stuff is of any interest to you, you may want to search for videos or posts (he posts at the Brian Enos forums under the CHA-LEE screen name) he has made about this subject. Suffice it to say, he takes grip training seriously, and has world class recoil control with pistols.
 
I dont grip my gun too firm......at least not by my view. Previous life had me in a finesse job....did not mandate strength. Had very fine pitch motor skills.

Dunno if natural or from archery, tennis or bass guitar.....but coworker brought the captains of crush stuff in and i waltzed the one that wore him out.

I have thin hands....and from what women say pretty hands. Read: not manly looking.

Yet my grip is strong and repeatable.

With that all said.....i agree. Shoot some competition. Youll learn a lot quick. Ive only shot a few but did pretty well.....which shocked the gamer regs.

Training by somwbodys method may help. You might be good to go as is. Dunno til you shoot.

I grew up shooting and just did what worked for me. Maybe i just lucked out. My issue now is arthritis and new job being impact/ repetitive stress

Had to give up .44 magnums.

Run 1911s like a scalded dog still.

My arthritis is genetic. My dad still shoots and hes pushing 80. But boomers he gave up a long time ago. Hes of an old school target grip type. Never got into speed stuff......even when at range w just us there.

Do think the folks that say " drive the gun" are on to something. Gun should be an extension of self....you control it.

Too many think of it as an attachment that does its own thing and they merely react to that.
 
Do know some guys w big hands. Strong hands. They are bad arse shooters too. They just built for it ( mentally and physically). Lucky them
 
Dunno if natural or from archery, tennis or bass guitar.....but coworker brought the captains of crush stuff in and i waltzed the one that wore him out.

I'd bet bass. I have played the drums for many years, and my best friend from my youth is a bass player. Until a medical issue starting making his hands a little fragile, we would always have epic handshake-crush contests when we saw each other for the first time in a while.
 
get two grip trainers and use them simultaneously. the push/pull should keep you from getting injured and the off-hand grip training is more important anyway (per atldave above).

luck,

murf
 
I’m 200lbs with a 585lb raw grip deadlift. My wife is 115lbs with a 210lb raw grip deadlift. We both grip our pistols with the same principle - squeeze as hard as you can, then relax slightly until you stop trembling. You might imagine, our relative grip strengths are VERY different from one another. Both of us shoot remarkably well.

I’ve taught hundreds of students in the last 20yrs the same method, again, you might imagine how 7yr olds and 70yr olds might have different grip strengths than 20 somethings.... the same principle applies, the same principle works.

The principle isn’t about raw strength, it’s about relative control.
 
Hold a gun about like you'd hold a tennis racket, a hammer, or a baseball bat. Too tight and the tool is useless. Just enough to control the tool. Just enough that the tips of your fingernails show white and not so tight that you shake.

This ain't brain surgery fellas. Take this from surgery...hold it like you'd hold a scalpel. Firmly, for decisive and determined movements, but with the ability for fine adjustments.
 
I used to shoot with a guy who didn't have anywhere near my grip strength and he used to hold a gun like he was going to fall to his death. Shook noticeably, and shot pretty badly. It wasn't for a long time I found out he was holding guns way way firmer than I was. If I held onto them the way he did or anything close to it, I was truly awful. I found out how hard he gripped by having him grab around my hand while I was holding a small wrench. When I said, "You're holding it way too tight!", he argued with me, but he improved a lot when he relaxed a little bit. I don't think anything but enough grip to hold the gun is asking for your hands to tire out before you finish shooting. I used to have ridiculously strong grip strength, and it's still above average, but if I shoot a lot in one day, I pay for it, my hands kill me for about 24 hours. They are better since I got the heated steering wheel in my new car. I made it though the winter without them aching all the time. First time in about 20 years.
 
Hold a gun about like you'd hold a tennis racket, a hammer, or a baseball bat.

If we care about recoil control, no. Tennis rackets and golf clubs and baseball bats and hammers all require a whipping motion from the wrist (and some require a free rotation of the wrist, as well) to work properly. This requires a gentle touch. That is the opposite of what one is trying to do with a handgun.

Last year I took a class from Ben Stoeger (7-time national USPSA production champion, probably the leading USPSA instructor in the world right now). One of the things he does is have shooters grip the gun with their strong hand, and then he adds his weak hand grip on top of it. The point is to illustrate what he considers a suitable amount of weak-hand grip. Most people find that it hurts their right hand a bit to have his left hand grip force applied over it.

It is possible to shoot a pistol very accurately at a moderate pace with a wide variety of grip forces. To shoot fast in a service caliber requires a good deal of force.
 
I mentioned Charlie Perez in my long post above. He did a lot of actual data collection at competitive shooting matches on competitors' potential and applied grip force. Here's a video that he did on grip strength training:



If you want to see what world-class recoil control looks like, here's slow-motion video of Mr. Perez's shooting:

 
"If we care about recoil control, no. Tennis rackets and golf clubs and baseball bats and hammers all require a whipping motion from the wrist (and some require a free rotation of the wrist, as well) to work properly. This requires a gentle touch. That is the opposite of what one is trying to do with a handgun."

You're confusing grip strength with what we do with keeping a wrist firm and a solid foundation for the recoil control of the gun. Two different things. The wrist and rotation from the shoulder etc. are different with my examples of the bat and hammer, than in shooting but the strength of the grip on the hammer, etc. is similar. The whipping action of a hammer comes from the wrist and not from the lack of a firm grip. With a "gentle touch" grip the bat flies out into the stands and the hammer flies off the roof and driving a 6" framing nail becomes impossible. The grip remains firm while the wrist moves, with the bat and hammer analogies. Like any analogy it only goes so far. There is a difference in the grip with a brad nail than a roofing nail.

Most people find that it hurts their right hand a bit to have his left hand grip force applied over it.

This is odd. Gripping a gun is not something that should be uncomfortable.

Avoid the tendency to make the mundane profound.
 
This is odd. Gripping a gun is not something that should be uncomfortable.

Many things are "uncomfortable" when done correctly by people used to doing it the wrong way.

And it is standard advice in the stick-swinging games to grip the implement (club or bat or racquet) as lightly as you can without losing the handle on it entirely, precisely because tight grip in the hand absolutely influences how much freedom the wrist has. Almost all of the muscles involved in both are actually located up in the forearms. It's quite difficult to lock one set while the others are loose, and vice versa.
 
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You said the grip should be painful. I was being polite when I said "uncomfortable". So it should be painful when doing it the correct way until you get used to it and then it won't be. Still odd.

How many You Tube vids are there on gripping a handgun? You Tube is what a decade old or so? How many articles and books are there on the same topic? These have been around for over a century. The number is large, many different opinions and options. Many with differences from mild to significant coaching on handguns and how to hold them. I'm betting that all of them work for someone and few work for all. Of course there is variation in terms of what task shooting your're doing as well...bullseye vs the combat games.

Learn from them, the videos and books, what works for you. Save the others for future reference.

There is also variation in hands.

If you think your grip isn't strong enough, exercise. It's good for a person in general.

Study some and practice shooting and dry firing.

This ain't brain surgery.
 
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You said the grip should be painful. I was being polite when I said "uncomfortable".

No, I didn't. I said someone who is used to not having the left hand apply an appropriate-for-speed-shooting level of gripping force can find it "hurts... a bit" when it is first done. Fretting the strings of a guitar hurts when you first learn because your fingertips aren't used to having that level of pressure applied. Go hit 100 balls at the driving range - if you haven't swung a golf club before, or not for a long time, that will hurt, too.

That said, if you're gripping appropriately hard, it should tiring for your hands to do more than a few minutes of dry-fire at a time.

How many You Tube vids are there on gripping a handgun... Many with differences from mild to significant coaching on handguns and ho0w to hold them. I'm betting that all of them work for someone and few work for all.

I'm relaying what the people whose techniques work the best in high levels of competition say and teach and do. I know quite a few Grand Masters in USPSA. They all have slight variations in their techniques, what their mental attention is on, how they move, what they emphasize in practice, etc. I have yet to meet one that doesn't have pretty strong hands and who don't grip pretty darn hard when they are shooting, particularly with the weak hand.

Of course there is variation in terms of what task shooting your're doing as well...bullseye vs the combat games.

Absolutely. Total agreement here. I think I've said in just about every post (and if I haven't, I should have) that what I'm talking about has to do with recoil control, which has to do with how to shoot the second shot (and subsequent shots) accurately and quickly. If we are talking about a context where speed of fire isn't very important (bullseye) or where recoil isn't significant (rimfire), then recoil control isn't a big deal. I find it totally plausible that many one-handed bullseye shooters may find it easier to pull the trigger without any disturbance of the sights using a fairly light hold. I don't know if that's true, but I don't have any difficulty believing it could be.

But if we're talking about shooting service-caliber handguns (or above), and we're talking about minimizing the time it takes for the sights to return for the next shot, then what I'm relaying is darn near universally-accepted by the people who would know best.

Here's a photo of JJ Racaza (who won the national championships in both Open and Limited divisions in USPSA last year). Notice the forearm muscles bulging and the skin wrinkling on his hands. He is gripping that gun hard - and that's a gun with a compensator that does a lot of recoil control for him:

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Here's Shane Coley, another national-champions Limited shooter, and current captain of Glock's shooting team. He's rather obviously gripping the snot out of his gun:

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Here's Ben Stoeger. Again, he's gripping hard:

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Now, if you're not trying to rip sub-.20 splits at 7 yard targets or sub-.25 at harder targets, then, sure, grip it any old way.
 
"The Modern Technique Of The Pistol by G B Morrison ( Jeff Cooper-Editorial Adviser) Copyright@ 1991 "Chapter 10 The Weaver Stance And Firing Grip (6-Pages)" Gunsight Press. Twenty-Eight years in the past but its worked for me, others may or will disagree compared to other methodology.
 
Many things are "uncomfortable" when done correctly by people used to doing it the wrong way.

Throughout the last ~20yrs in handgun classes, I have used this sentiment as a caution for would-be handgun buyers. It’s exceptionally common for well-meaning but unwitting folks to recommend newbies to visit stores and “see what feels best in your hand.” However, I have found this to often be terrible advice. The hands of new shooters do not know what a gun should feel like, so “what feels best” is often not actually the best choice for their pistol.

Newbies don’t have the information or experience to define “best,” so telling them to pick the “best” is to basically expect them to make an expert assessment without being an expert. Not feasible, not possible.
 
The above makes a lot of sense. Besides the most obvious problem of making inappropriate choices in caliber, brand, type of action, or features, going by "feel" at the counter, people tend to pick small and lightweight guns. Of course they feel the best when you're just waving it around at the counter, but the feeling is completely different when you're actually firing. I'm not saying there aren't good reasons to choose small and light, but it takes some experience shooting to realize this is a compromise in the opposite direction from comfortable. People not shooting mistakenly think the little gun is comfortable and the big heavy gun is more difficult when the opposite is usually true.

Certain criteria ought to be specified based on the purpose, but also including fit. This isn't so much a matter of the subjective "feeling" of the gun, but whether it fits the hand. Can they reach the magazine release without repositioning the grip? Can they grip the gun with the bore in line with the forearm and still have their finger far enough over the trigger? Can they get all the fingers on the grip that they should? Does the backstrap fit their palm or does the palm wrap under it and block the magazine?
 
I treat the handgun grip like holding a baby bird in your fists. You want to hold it softly enough as not to crush it but hard enough as to not let it get away. That philosophy seems to work for me.
 
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