Favorite 357 Mag Factory Load?

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I think he's correct, it used to be just the condor range or something like that, now it's the whole state.

https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/hunting/nonlead-ammunition

Takes effect july1st

That’s for hinting only...for now :mad:

I like the Hornady American Gunner .357 125 grain XTP ammo. It shoots true in my guns but I have not shot anything but targets with it. If in bear country I would go for a 158 grain load.
 
That’s for hinting only...for now :mad:

I like the Hornady American Gunner .357 125 grain XTP ammo. It shoots true in my guns but I have not shot anything but targets with it. If in bear country I would go for a 158 grain load.
That sucks. The link I provided says taking ANY wildlife , but it also says lead is ok for personal protection. But it doesn't state from critters, from people or from both, just personal protection in general. Really stupid law.

The regulations do not require use of nonlead ammunition when target shooting. Use of lead projectiles for target shooting is legal unless CDFW or another government entity has determined otherwise for lands they administer. The regulations do not prohibit the possession of concealable firearms containing lead ammunition, provided the firearm is possessed for personal protection and is not used to take or assist in the take of wildlife. With the exception of ammunition for concealable firearms possessed for personal protection, hunters may not possess lead ammunition along with a firearm capable of firing that ammunition.
 
The link I provided says taking ANY wildlife , but it also says lead is ok for personal protection. But it doesn't state from critters, from people or from both, just personal protection in general. Really stupid law.
Actually, as far as laws go, it is pretty clear.

The controlling variable isn't which animal you happen to shoot, but the intent under which the shooting occurred. If you are hunting or happen upon an animal you want to shoot under circumstances other than personal protection, such as varmint/pest control, you are prohibited from using ammo containing lead.
 
It’s a junk science infused law to ‘protect condors’. (It’s really just another regulatory hurdle to try to get hunters to quit)

If I was carrying in the forests here I would stick to the all copper bullets just to ensure no overzealous F&G warden decides I’m hunting with lead ammo. The Barnes bullet loads the others mentioned will do double duty for you; provide a self-protection load that’s effective and will also comply with the Ca law for hunting starting soon.

Nice gun choice, let us know how it shoots for you! :thumbup:

Stay safe.
 
What are considering as a threat, man or beast or really large beast?

I shoot the WINCHESTER White Box 110 grain .357 magnum load the most for my .357 magnum revolvers. If I were going to use it for hunting, I would use the longer barrel guns and go for a heavier bullet, but I do not hunt. That leaves me using it for self defense and the range. The WIN 110 grain load is cheap, I can buy it at WALMART for $25.00 per box of 50 and the recoil is not bad in a K-frame size gun or larger. I have shot my RUGER GP-100 with a 5 inch barrel using the original wooden grips, which is something that I almost never do as the recoil is not really heavy.

My agency issued the 110 grain load when I first joined and were issued revolvers. It worked well in the field for us, although some units in my agency used the 125 grain jhp, which is a lot hotter.
The recoil, muzzle blast, noise and flash of the 110 grain ammo is like a hot 9m.m. +P or +P+ load with about the same performance.

The 125 grain load has a top of the line reputation as a man stopper, but it comes at the price of harsher recoil, muzzle blast, more noise and a really bright flash. You however can get it at WALMART in 100 round boxes from REMINGTON, both in JHP and JSP. I have seen both types.

The 110 grain ammo is loaded much milder to a velocity of @1,300 feet per second, while the higher pressure 125 grain load exits a 4 inch barrel at @ 1450 fps.

The heavier ammo will not be more effective for self defense and is likely to be both less effective and over penetrate. If your goal is self defense, I would go with the 110 grain jhp or the 125 grain depending on how well you shoot the ammo/gun combination.
If you intend to hunt, then a 158 grain round from a 6 inch barrel would be a better bet, but from a 4 inch barrel, they are moving too slow to reliably expand in most brands and will kick harder than the 110 grain ammo. These would also work again smaller threat animals like a black bear (in Florida, they are not that large). Against pack animals, like wolves or feral dogs,you might do better with a 9m.m. with a large capacity magazine.
If your worried about a brown bear, I would forget the pistol and get a short barreled shotgun and load it with slugs!

Jim
 
PMC 357A is a pleasant blasting load. 1,143 fps out of my 6". Still haven't tried any of the AE but it sounds fun. Hornady loads are great but I the short brass will be frustrating to load when mixed with other head stamps.
 
What are considering as a threat, man or beast or really large beast?

I shoot the WINCHESTER White Box 110 grain .357 magnum load the most for my .357 magnum revolvers. If I were going to use it for hunting, I would use the longer barrel guns and go for a heavier bullet, but I do not hunt. That leaves me using it for self defense and the range. The WIN 110 grain load is cheap, I can buy it at WALMART for $25.00 per box of 50 and the recoil is not bad in a K-frame size gun or larger. I have shot my RUGER GP-100 with a 5 inch barrel using the original wooden grips, which is something that I almost never do as the recoil is not really heavy.

My agency issued the 110 grain load when I first joined and were issued revolvers. It worked well in the field for us, although some units in my agency used the 125 grain jhp, which is a lot hotter.
The recoil, muzzle blast, noise and flash of the 110 grain ammo is like a hot 9m.m. +P or +P+ load with about the same performance.

The 125 grain load has a top of the line reputation as a man stopper, but it comes at the price of harsher recoil, muzzle blast, more noise and a really bright flash. You however can get it at WALMART in 100 round boxes from REMINGTON, both in JHP and JSP. I have seen both types.

The 110 grain ammo is loaded much milder to a velocity of @1,300 feet per second, while the higher pressure 125 grain load exits a 4 inch barrel at @ 1450 fps.

The heavier ammo will not be more effective for self defense and is likely to be both less effective and over penetrate. If your goal is self defense, I would go with the 110 grain jhp or the 125 grain depending on how well you shoot the ammo/gun combination.
If you intend to hunt, then a 158 grain round from a 6 inch barrel would be a better bet, but from a 4 inch barrel, they are moving too slow to reliably expand in most brands and will kick harder than the 110 grain ammo. These would also work again smaller threat animals like a black bear (in Florida, they are not that large). Against pack animals, like wolves or feral dogs,you might do better with a 9m.m. with a large capacity magazine.
If your worried about a brown bear, I would forget the pistol and get a short barreled shotgun and load it with slugs!

Jim
My former agency also issued the Win 110 gr JHP in .357, the range guys said it was a good balance between controllability and terminal performance as well.

I still have a few boxes of it somewhere, along with some of the Federal .44 Spl SWCHP that was also issued back then.

Stay safe.,
 
What are considering as a threat, man or beast or really large beast?

I shoot the WINCHESTER White Box 110 grain .357 magnum load the most for my .357 magnum revolvers. If I were going to use it for hunting, I would use the longer barrel guns and go for a heavier bullet, but I do not hunt. That leaves me using it for self defense and the range. The WIN 110 grain load is cheap, I can buy it at WALMART for $25.00 per box of 50 and the recoil is not bad in a K-frame size gun or larger. I have shot my RUGER GP-100 with a 5 inch barrel using the original wooden grips, which is something that I almost never do as the recoil is not really heavy.

My agency issued the 110 grain load when I first joined and were issued revolvers. It worked well in the field for us, although some units in my agency used the 125 grain jhp, which is a lot hotter.
The recoil, muzzle blast, noise and flash of the 110 grain ammo is like a hot 9m.m. +P or +P+ load with about the same performance.

The 125 grain load has a top of the line reputation as a man stopper, but it comes at the price of harsher recoil, muzzle blast, more noise and a really bright flash. You however can get it at WALMART in 100 round boxes from REMINGTON, both in JHP and JSP. I have seen both types.

The 110 grain ammo is loaded much milder to a velocity of @1,300 feet per second, while the higher pressure 125 grain load exits a 4 inch barrel at @ 1450 fps.

The heavier ammo will not be more effective for self defense and is likely to be both less effective and over penetrate. If your goal is self defense, I would go with the 110 grain jhp or the 125 grain depending on how well you shoot the ammo/gun combination.
If you intend to hunt, then a 158 grain round from a 6 inch barrel would be a better bet, but from a 4 inch barrel, they are moving too slow to reliably expand in most brands and will kick harder than the 110 grain ammo. These would also work again smaller threat animals like a black bear (in Florida, they are not that large). Against pack animals, like wolves or feral dogs,you might do better with a 9m.m. with a large capacity magazine.
If your worried about a brown bear, I would forget the pistol and get a short barreled shotgun and load it with slugs!

Jim
Unless your running boutique slugs like brenneke' black magic magnum give me the sixgun every time. A 300+ in at least a hard cast if not full monolithic bullet will out penetrate most shotgun slugs and even some rifles. Hell Elmer Keith new his .44 spl hot loads to out penetrate a .30-06, that was way back when? With today's loads? I think the sixgun is plenty IF the shooter is and IF the load is right.
 
Prvi Partizan PPU 158 Grain SJHP - UPC: 8605003817765.

PPU_SJHP_357.jpg

That is my personal 'gold standard' for testing accuracy from 7 out to 25 yards in a .357 Magnum Revolver. It is the very first cartridge I shoot out of any newly acquired .357, whether new or used.
 
Prvi Partizan PPU 158 Grain SJHP - UPC: 8605003817765.

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That is my personal 'gold standard' for testing accuracy from 7 out to 25 yards in a .357 Magnum Revolver. It is the very first cartridge I shoot out of any newly acquired .357, whether new or used.

Any problem w/ leading?

Used to shoot it as bulk, then FM put their TMJ on cheap and stocked up.




GR
 
Any problem w/ leading?
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GR

No leading issues that I ever noticed.

These days, probably 90% of the .357 Magnum cartridges I shoot are reloads. I still make sure to run a couple of cylinders full of the PPU through each 'new to me' .357 mag Revolver the first time I shoot it. It seems to do particularly well with fixed sight models and four-inch barrels.

Two different times on a used S&W revolver (a Model 65 and then a Model 681) my very first shot appeared to completely miss the target at 10 yards :( I stopped and took a closer look and each paper had a hole right in the center within the black bullseye :)
 
Only factory 357 I have is a couple boxes of Winchester Silvertips for defense. Bottom line most any JHP is gtg in a 357 and Silvertips sure are purdy.
I'd have no problem packing them in the woods in most of the lower 48, if I was in big bear country I'd switch to heavier bullet.
 
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