NRA: Chris Cox Resigns

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i don't give two hoots in hades that it hurts the organization. When WLP leaves office i will resume my contributions if safe guards are put in place to prevent another takeover of the NRA by a self serving despot.
 
Why is it so hard for you to understand that withholding donations hurts the organization, whatever else it may, or may not accomplish?

To be blunt, you are clueless. Unless organizational personnel change occurs, we will see a long slide downward. Pouring money into it, in a manner that keeps incompetence in office - hurts the organization more than a transition to a better team. It's that simple.

In fact, a clean slate of honest folks might bring in:

1. More contributions as folks see the organization as returning to competency and core mission.
2. Weaken the attacks by antigunners as the easy targets of corruption and whack job pronouncements on irrelevant social issues will be abated.
3. Might attract new members if we get a strategy for a more inclusive membership who understand the core mission is not to be a stepstool for one party or political world view. It is to defend, promote and actually expand the practical aspects of the RKBA. If you want the whole organization to be a fringe, conservative, old white man club - you are also clueless.
 
Why is it so hard for you to understand that withholding donations hurts the organization, whatever else it may, or may not accomplish?
And giving money to the organization, in its present state, does little to promote the cause, in light of the public image.
 
Why is it so hard for you to understand that withholding donations hurts the organization, whatever else it may, or may not accomplish?
I agree it hurts the organization but at present it is the only input the organization has left it's members to make meaningful changes to the organization's leadership. If I could do something that only attack WLP, his cronies, and their wasteful activities without hurting the pro-2A activities of the NRA I would. But that is not an option given the way the NRA is currently organized.
 
To be blunt, you are clueless. Unless organizational personnel change occurs, we will see a long slide downward. Pouring money into it, in a manner that keeps incompetence in office - hurts the organization more than a transition to a better team. It's that simple.

In fact, a clean slate of honest folks might bring in:

1. More contributions as folks see the organization as returning to competency and core mission.
2. Weaken the attacks by antigunners as the easy targets of corruption and whack job pronouncements on irrelevant social issues will be abated.
3. Might attract new members if we get a strategy for a more inclusive membership who understand the core mission is not to be a stepstool for one party or political world view. It is to defend, promote and actually expand the practical aspects of the RKBA. If you want the whole organization to be a fringe, conservative, old white man club - you are also clueless.

Well, I would say the clueless one in the conversation is the one spouting off without any facts to back him up. These are the most recent I could find that were not from liberal sites gloating and egging people on (hint):

NRA is back, ‘highest ever’ membership (2019):
The National Rifle Association has recovered from a membership drop after President Trump’s 2016 election and is now at the highest levels ever in its history.


New figures put the membership at approximately 5.5 million.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/nra-is-back-highest-ever-membership


NRA Gained Ground With Dues, Contributions in 2018 (for the full year 2018)
https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/06/nra-gained-ground-with-dues-contributions-in-2018/

NRA Membership Dues, Contributions Rebounded In 2018:
https://freebeacon.com/issues/nra-membership-dues-contributions-rebounded-in-2018/

NRA Membership Up More Than 350,000 in 2018
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/nra-membership-up-more-than-350000-in-2018/



 
If you want the whole organization to be a fringe, conservative, old white man club - you are also clueless.

I’m not going to put words in anyone’s mouth here, but that would be my best guess about why people feel the way they do. What I’ve seen locally with NRA “members” at the ranges and in passing at veteran organizations and civic groups closely mimics the “love it or leave it” and the “just shut up” lines.

I’m not leaving. I want it fixed.

I say “members” because far more claim membership than the NRA rolls show.
 
If some would just be honest here, they are hurting the NRA because the NRA supported Trump. These members are just not honest enough to come out and say that and are hiding behind a pile of $20,000 suits.
 
Who is celebrating? Most seem to think it’s a loss. In fact, some in the ILA wish to separate themselves from WLP corruption.

Again, I hate to say that some of you just don’t get the point that wanting to get rid of bad personnel is not attacking the organization itself. Why are you unable to understand this or so bound up in a cult of personality?

I have seen three organizations that I was involved with have bad leadership. No one wanted the joint to fail, we just desired competency and honesty. The ‘leader’ had a cadre of toadies who bleated about disloyalty and wanting to destroy the place. However, they had a real board and the ‘leader’ was sent away, and the place was fine.

Get it through your head and understand the difference between personnel and the organization/cause.

If it takes a period of decreased contributions to get the personnel changes as the only effective input, that is regrettable.

Please do not act as if we are all stupid and do not understand this. And do not make comments like "Get it through your head". Certainly do no appreciate that. Just sick of the constant bashing. There has been many a good soldier that might not have liked his leader, but at least he fights. You are not helping any cause. You are hurting it. And insulting others is not going to help anyone.
 
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If some would just be honest here, they are hurting the NRA because the NRA supported Trump. These members are just not honest enough to come out and say that and are hiding behind a pile of $20,000 suits.

That’s part of it, for sure...and all the other conservative candidates that are anti-freedom that the NRA supports that are pro-gun. Plus all the rhetoric from Dana Loesch and everyone else.

Guns are important, but so are many other things, organizational integrity is one of those things.
 
I respect your position as Moderator and your right to use THR forum as a anti-NRA platform. None the less I offer the counterpoints:

"1. More contributions as folks see the organization as returning to competency and core mission."

An assumption of your part that is not supported by any data.

"2. Weaken the attacks by antigunners as the easy targets of corruption and whack job pronouncements on irrelevant social issues will be abated."

An assumption not supported by data. The facts are the media is not concerned with the truthful reporting. Data shows that 90% of the news reporting by TV and Print media about President Trump since his election is false. Now you want me to believe that the media will discontinue it's Fake News attacks on the NRA and Gun Owners.

"3. Might attract new members if we get a strategy for a more inclusive membership who understand the core mission is not to be a stepstool for one party or political world view. It is to defend, promote and actually expand the practical aspects of the RKBA."

Contrary to the posts that are being made about the membership is declining the reality is NRA Membership has grown under WLP leadership. It seems to me that by ending NRATV and it's contract with the marketing company they are steering towards their core mission.

"If you want the whole organization to be a fringe, conservative, old white man club - you are also clueless."

Since you have inside information to the race and sex of NRA Members please post it. Actually I believe the majority of members on THR are conservative, old white men. I certainly know as a minority that I would not be welcome by many of them in their home and on the shooting range.

Since you want WLP removed from the NRA who do you want to replace him? Keep in mind that the race of President has already started and will really heat up in January as the field narrows. Can a new management team in the NRA get up to speed quickly enough to put together a effective campaign to help reelect President Trump and prevent the Democrats from taking control of the Senate?

WLP is very experienced in Presidential elections. Are those of us that want a Pro-Gun President and Senate better off with WLP remaining in his position with the plan to replace him in 2021?
 
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All I can say is that if I were an antigunner, I would want Wayne LaPierre & co. to stay in charge of the NRA. Their presence hobbles its effectiveness. In fact they have brought it to the brink of destruction.
 
All I can say is that if I were an antigunner, I would want Wayne LaPierre & co. to stay in charge of the NRA. Their presence hobbles its effectiveness. In fact they have brought it to the brink of destruction.

It would not make a bit of difference, the bashers would just find someone else or something else. This is not about LaPierre and Co. It is about political parties. Again, Lapierre is just a "Wedge Issue".
 
The issue of how to strike a balance between gun rights and public safety has been a political hot potato for years, and one that Congress has dealt with gingerly, if at all.

The political climate of 2019 would hardly seem ripe for action on the issue. Republicans generally oppose any type of gun control legislation — only four of 54 Senate Republicans voted in favor of the 2015 background check bill.

In between here is a long chart showing how well gun-rights organizations have done in political contributions. It doesn't break this out but I'm sure the lion's share of this is from the NRA.

President Donald Trump has repeatedly pledged to protect Second Amendment rights and often warns gun owners that their Second Amendment rights are “under assault.” In an April speech to NRA members, Trump announced he will not ratify America’s participation in the international Arms Trade Treaty, which would provide some international oversight on arms sales.

In opposition to the Republicans, the newly Democratic-controlled House has made passing gun control legislation a priority. So far, the House passed two measures with some bipartisan support that strengthen and expand the background check process. The House also passed a reauthorization of the Violence Against Women Act, opposed by the NRA because of the bill’s measure that seeks to prevent domestic abusers from obtaining guns.

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/issues/guns
 
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In between here is a long chart showing how well gun-rights organizations have done in political contributions. It doesn't break this out but I'm sure the lion's share of this is from the NRA.



https://www.opensecrets.org/news/issues/guns

HAMMOND: The Trump Administration Is Becoming Strangely Anti-Gun
https://dailycaller.com/2019/06/13/hammond-trump-anti-gun/


TRUMP PICKS ANTI-GUNNER TO LEAD ATF
https://gunowners.org/alert53019/




A Gun Rights Group Says Trump Has Gone From Supporter "To The Gun-Grabber In Chief"
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/articl...-supporters-say-trump-has-turned-into-the-gun








 


I am sure that, since you quoted my post, You know that President Trump has done some good as well.

And so, what would be your alternative?

Or are you here just to throw stones and destroy?

At least you're not hiding behind the WLP issue, points for that.
 
On March 14, pro-gun Sens. Kevin Cramer (R-ND) and John Kennedy (R-LA) introduced S. 821 the Freedom Financing Act, a bill to prohibit discrimination against the firearms industry in the provision of financial services.

We have long been reporting on how anti-gun activists are seeking to use access to financial services as a means to punish and suppress lawful firearm-related commerce.

First came Operation Choke Point, a supposed “anti-fraud” effort during the Obama administration that morphed into a campaign by federal regulators to intimidate banks and payment processers into refusing business with politically disfavored clients, including firearm-related businesses. That program was officially repudiated by the Trump Administration, but for some businesses, the damage had already been done

https://www.nraila.org/articles/201...prohibit-discrimination-in-financial-services
 
At 1:30 minute mark of video, a question was posed to the candidates, "Is there a federal government's role to take guns off the streets?"

Watch the technical difficulty that follows (They had to cut to a commercial).



Eric Swalwell, Senator Bernie Sanders Debate Gun Control, Weapons Buy Backs - "We can take most dangerous weapons" :eek::eek::eek:



Swalwell calls NRA "the enemy" after 2020 Democratic debate



Cory On Guns from First Democratic Debate - "I am tired of thoughts and prayers ... It's time for bold actions and bold agenda ... this is personal"

"YOU NEED A LICENSE TO BUY A FIREARM" :eek::eek::eek:



Cory Booker: Majority Of Americans Agree With Me On Common Sense Gun Control - "We don't need guns"

REALLY??? Talk to people in most cities with high crime ... Good grief, somebody bumped their head ... Bless his heart. :oops:



A big THANK YOU to @bds for these links
 
Biden Pledges To Defeat National Rifle Association:
https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2019/...44OWC-nW85ne7d465pov-BmeUQowicKMv7g6no0sUrSQQ

Kamala Harris: I’ll Stand Up to the NRA
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/04/23/kamala-harris-ill-stand-up-to-nra/

Eric Swalwell Taunts NRA That They Won’t Debate Him. Dana Loesch Nails Him: ‘I’m Your Huckleberry’:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/46208/eric-swalwell-taunts-nra-they-wont-debate-him-dana-hank-berrien

Elizabeth Warren Urges Democrats to Champion Gun Control, Shut Down Debate:
https://www.nraila.org/articles/201...rats-to-champion-gun-control-shut-down-debate

CORY BOOKER WANTS TO UNLEASH THE IRS ON THE NRA:
https://dailycaller.com/2019/05/12/cory-booker-irs-nra/

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I am sure that, since you quoted my post, You know that President Trump has done some good as well.

And so, what would be your alternative?

Or are you here just to throw stones and destroy?

At least you're not hiding behind the WLP issue, points for that.

My alternative would be to get rid of WLP and other cronies, and install leadership that will hold Trump accountable for his anti-2A agenda, his anti-2A appointments, and remind him what the $100 million dollars the NRA spent on Trumps campaign was spent for.

Not this:

In Las Vegas, reports indicate that certain devices were used to modify the firearms involved. Despite the fact that the Obama administration approved the sale of bump fire stocks on at least two occasions, the National Rifle Association is calling on the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) to immediately review whether these devices comply with federal law. The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations.

https://home.nra.org/joint-statement
 
Since the Gun Owners Association is being presented for discussion;

The GOA total revenue for 2016 was $2,259,601 and executive compensation and other salaries was a whopping 26.4% of total revenue. $622,687 in executive compensation and other salaries doesn't leave much for fighting for our 2A rights.

Hummm. All of this anger about WLP's clothing allowance but no anger over the GOA executive compensation and other salaries.

https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/521256643



















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My alternative would be to get rid of WLP and other cronies, and install leadership that will hold Trump accountable for his anti-2A agenda, his anti-2A appointments, and remind him what the $100 million dollars the NRA spent on Trumps campaign was spent for.

Not this:

And then who will win the White House in 2020 ? The Senate ?

Hurting the NRA is hurting all of us who want to preserve our RKBA, there can be no doubt about that.

IMHO you are falling into the trap stirred up by the gun controllers.
 
My alternative would be to get rid of WLP and other cronies, and install leadership that will hold Trump accountable for his anti-2A agenda, his anti-2A appointments, and remind him what the $100 million dollars the NRA spent on Trumps campaign was spent for.

Who are the specific individuals you would like to see replace "WLP and other cronies"?
 
Since the Gun Owners Association is being presented for discussion;

The GOA total revenue for 2016 was $2,259,601 and executive compensation and other salaries was a whopping 26.4% of total revenue. $622,687 in executive compensation and other salaries doesn't leave much for fighting for our 2A rights.

Hummm. All of this anger about WLP's clothing allowance but no anger over the GOA executive compensation and other salaries.

https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/521256643


















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Yes, there was a GOA bashing thread as well recently.

Somehow they hate most of the groups trying to perserve our gun rights but offer no real solutions except donate less.
 
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