Purchasing a firearm in another state(Florida)

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So here’s the deal, I’m a resident of NYC but I have a vacation home in Florida. Anytime I go to Florida I’d go with my friends to the range and use their guns. However I was wondering if I could purchase my own rifle(an AR-15) in Florida. Is this possible with me having NY ID? I’ve read that you can purchase a firearm if you are not a resident of Florida and if that firearm complied with laws in my state of residence. But with an AR-15 that wouldn’t be possible. Seeing as I have a vacation home in Florida is it possible?
For the purposes of acquiring firearms, ATF considers you a resident of the state where you make your home. It doesn't matter where your drivers license is issued, where you are registered to vote or where you pay taxes. What matters under FEDERAL law is whether you actually reside in a particular state.
ATF addressed this in CFR 478.11 as well as Ruling 2010-6 State of Residence. Further the ATF FAQ's.
CFR 478.11 State of residence.
The State in which an individual resides. An individual resides in a State if he or she is present in a State with the intention of making a home in that State. If an individual is on active duty as a member of the Armed Forces, the individual's State of residence is the State in which his or her permanent duty station is located, as stated in 18 U.S.C. 921(b). The following are examples that illustrate this definition:
Example 1. A maintains a home in State X. A travels to State Y on a hunting, fishing, business, or other type of trip. A does not become a resident of State Y by reason of such trip.
Example 2. A maintains a home in State X and a home in State Y. A resides in State X except for weekends or the summer months of the year and in State Y for the weekends or the summer months of the year. During the time that A actually resides in State X, A is a resident of State X, and during the time that A actually resides in State Y, A is a resident of State Y.
Example 3. A, an alien, travels to the United States on a three-week vacation to State X. A does not have a state of residence in State X because A does not have the intention of making a home in State X while on vacation. This is true regardless of the length of the vacation.
Example 4. A, an alien, travels to the United States to work for three years in State X. A rents a home in State X, moves his personal possessions into the home, and his family resides with him in the home. A intends to reside in State X during the 3-year period of his employment. A is a resident of State X.
 
You can be a resident for part of a year on one state, and part of a year in another. The key thing would be establishing Florida residency for the part of the year you are physically present there. Obtaining a Florida driver's license would be important. Vacationing in Florida for, say, a month probably wouldn't cut it. There has to be an intention to make the state your home.
Wrong.
One doesn't "establish residency", one just has to reside in a state and provide the required documentation.
Read ATF example #2 above.
 
Really?!? A NY/FL resident may not buy an AR: (1) in FL; (2) that he intends to leave in FL?
A New York resident would not able to buy an AR-15 rifle from an FFL dealer in Florida because the sale would not satisfy the legal requirements of both states. And of course he wouldn't be able to buy any gun from an individual in Florida. This is federal law. What he intends to do with the gun once he has it is irrelevant.

A Florida resident would have no problem buying any gun -- from a dealer or an individual -- in Florida. The whole thrust of this thread is how to establish Florida residence for a part-year resident.
I had a Florida and New York licence until 2015. When I went to renew the Florida licence in 2015, I was told by motor vehicle dept. they no longer will issue dual drivers licences because of new homeland security guidelines. If I wanted to keep my FL. licence, I had to give up my New York one. This was also verified by Florida Hi way Patrol. I do maintain a residence in Florida.
This is correct. Unfortunately, my reference was out of date. The Florida law was amended so that "Florida only" licenses were no longer issued starting November 1, 2009. (And pre-existing "Florida only" licenses expired by June 30, 2017 at the latest.) That wouldn't preclude someone from getting a Florida state ID under similar circumstances. That would serve the same purposes as a driver's license except that it wouldn't confer driving privileges.
 
Does it matter if utility bills come in my name at the vacation home? Because I read that on one of the forums if you show proof a residency you will be able to purchase any firearm if your ID is non Florida. Also on forum 4473 it says
“If the transferee/buyer has two States of residence, the transferee/ buyer should list his/her current residence address in response to
question 2 (e.g., if the transferee/buyer is purchasing a firearm while staying at his/her weekend home in State X, he/she should list the address in State X in response to question 2).” Wouldn’t my vacation home technically count as a weekend home? So therefore I would have to put the address of my home in Florida making it legal to purchase any firearm legal in the state of Florida? Or would I still have to comply with the “it has to be legal in the state of residence also” I would like to point out that I spend usually spend a month or greater in Florida if that would help clarify anything.
Follow the instructions on the Form 4473.
You would list your current residence address in Florida, provide the FL dealer with a government issued photo ID and government issued documentation showing your name and your current residence address in Florida if your gov issued photo ID is not from Florida. Some dealers are ignorant of this, tell them to read the instructions on the Form 4473. Many dealers don't bother reading those instructions, just as many who responded to this thread didn't.:cuss:
 
Wrong.
One doesn't "establish residency", one just has to reside in a state and provide the required documentation.
Read ATF example #2 above.
Same thing. Being present in a state with the intention of making a home there is "establishing residence." Incidents such as a driver's license (or state-issued ID) just go to prove both physical presence and intention to reside. As a practical matter, a dealer would need to see such proof.
 
This right here solves all the problems.

Many dealers won't sell you a firearm if the address on your ID doesn't match the ID on the 4473.
Only if the dealer hasn't read or understood the instructions on the Form 4473.

Get that Florida only DL and you're golden. Your address will match your ID and for all intents and purposes you're a Florida resident.
Simply matching addresses on the 4473 and ID doesn't make one a resident of anywhere. You actually have to reside at the address you write in as your current residence address on the 4473. You can't lie and write in an address where you don't reside just because its the address on your drivers license. That's a felony.
And having a DL from a state doesn't make you a resident.
 
Same thing. Being present in a state with the intention of making a home there is "establishing residence." Incidents such as a driver's license (or state-issued ID) just go to prove both physical presence and intention to reside. As a practical matter, a dealer would need to see such proof.
Using the term "establishing residence" is faulty. Nearly every state has strict requirements on establishing residency for the purposes of voting, paying taxes, getting a drivers license, etc. ATF on the other hand is extremely liberal in determining what the buyers state of residence is......you simply reside there. While having a drivers license makes it easy to show as proof, its not required.
 
Where are your pets? Not kidding. Now this is about taxes, but a recent ruling was that "home" was were you kept your pets.

FL doesn't have personal income tax, so why not make FL your permanent residence? Still have to pay NY tax on income earned there, but with investment income you could avoid NY's taxes. Solves two problems.
 
A New York resident would not able to buy an AR-15 rifle from an FFL dealer in Florida because the sale would not satisfy the legal requirements of both states. And of course he wouldn't be able to buy any gun from an individual in Florida. This is federal law. What he intends to do with the gun once he has it is irrelevant.

A Florida resident would have no problem buying any gun -- from a dealer or an individual -- in Florida. The whole thrust of this thread is how to establish Florida residence for a part-year resident. . . . .
Right, . . . .which is why I typed "NY/FL resident."
 
With property in FL. Get FL ID. Buy any firearm, pistol or rifle. Use FL address on fed form. If you have a FL carry there is no waiting period.
 
Oh good grief.
Home ownership is not required under any Federal or state law to acquire a firearm. Stop posting nonsense.

Read Post #15 before you keep posting "Nonsense" I live in Florida

Read the links to ATF and the FDLE

Where you make your home is not if you are here on vacation and staying in a motel.

ATF:
If a person maintains a home in 2 States and resides in both States for certain periods of the year, he or she may, during the period of time the person actually resides in a particular State, purchase a firearm in that State. However, simply owning property in another State does not alone qualify the person to purchase a firearm in that State.

[27 CFR 478.11]



A resident of NY can buy a long gun when down here on vacation,IF the firearm is legal back in his State of Residence. (which in this case it is not"
Repeat:
Then the dual residence comes into play, the OP claims he is so he can buy any gun and leave it here in Florida. He needs a State ID to make things easy or a dealer is not gonna sell to him,

Read the whole thread before posting.
 
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Read Post #15 before you keep posting "Nonsense" I live in Florida

Read the links to ATF and the FDLE
You wrote:
Rule3 said: If you OWN a residence in the State of Florida, Yes you may buy a firearm, (rifle or pistol) if you provide verification that you own the residence. Tax Bill, Utility Bill State ID etc....
That is wholly and completely false. If you read CFR 478.11 that I posted above you would see that "owning" a home is not a requiremt to be a resident. Jusat take a deep breath to contemplate all the renters of apartments and homes that can lawfully acquire firearms as a legal resident.;)



Where you make your home is not if you are here on vacation and staying in a motel.
Well no kidding. But the OP is not staying in a motel, but in a second home he has in Florida.

ATF:
If a person maintains a home in 2 States and resides in both States for certain periods of the year, he or she may, during the period of time the person actually resides in a particular State, purchase a firearm in that State. However, simply owning property in another State does not alone qualify the person to purchase a firearm in that State.

[27 CFR 478.11]
Oh lookee here...…...you posted exactly what I did in post#26.....oddly it doesn't mention a darned thing about owning a home does it. "MAINTAINS" is not the same as "OWNS".



A resident of NY can buy a long gun when down here on vacation,IF the firearm is legal back in his State of Residence. (which in this case it is not"
Repeat:
Then the dual residence comes into play, the OP claims he is so he can buy any gun and leave it here in Florida. He needs a State ID to make things easy or a dealer is not gonna sell to him,
Well no kidding. And a state ID isn't needed if the Florida dealer is not a nitwit.

Read the whole thread before posting.
I did. I also didn't post nonsense.;)
 
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