John Ross not delivering paid for JR500

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Oh Lol! I have been reported!!


...AND FYI, John Ross did post in the previous thread and said he would be in contact with mtshooter. If you have new information WITH PROOF of the lack of contact after John Ross's posts here in that previous thread, please have that handy and send No_1 a PM with all the info you have...or have mtshooter PM No_1

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Jon
non contact, to my tiny little mind means a negative. How do you prove a negative? Only way of which I'm aware is to prove a positive that contradicts the negative. In other words, I can't prove that I didn't drop an anvil on the Roadrunner in Az on a certain date because on that date I was in London England. Without a provable alibi, can't prove I didn't do it.
Well, how do you prove you didn't get contact? Can't figure that one out.
 
Screw a lawyer, time to get law enforcement involved and have him arrested. The threshold for felony fraud or theft is $500 in Missouri. Ding him with a felony conviction and he can kiss all his guns goodbye. He doesn't even care that there's a letter from the Missouri Attorney General at his house. He's giving the top cop in the state the finger! Start with a police report with the St. Louis PD and at the same time file a complaint with the Missouri Attorney General. I guarantee he's working a case on Ross or there wouldn't be a letter sent to him. You'll likely be joining others who have been ripped off by him. OP It's time to quit pattycaking this and light the fuse.
 
You do not have to deal with entities outside your area. Contact your local district attorney. They should be able to handle this matter. If he fails to respond to them, they should be able to work with the authorities on the other end. Here in Kansas it is done on a regular basis. And if your DA says they can't help, contact a local tv news department. Or you can hire Mongo.

And I get the same message from CB every year. You aren't being singled out.
 
It looks to me like this person has dug in and believes he can stand any pain you can bring his way. I seriously doubt you're going to get the gun. My guess is that he's just going to make it as hard as possible for you to get your money back at this point.

1. Start writing letters. Real, paper, letters. Lots of them. Make sure the letter tells the story and contains enough information to document the situation adequately. KEEP IT AS BRIEF AND AS PURELY FACTUAL AS POSSIBLE. DO NOT SPECULATE OR GET EMOTIONAL.
A. Send the letters to the editors of gun magazines, to gun writers, to any businesses that you think this person may be involved with or do business with.
B. Send them to any business that might now, might have in the past, or might in the future take advertising from the person in question.
C. Send them to online organizations who have written articles on this person's products and services.
D. Send them to any organizations which you believe this person may be a member of .
E. CC each letter to the person in question and keep a list of who you have sent them to for your own records.​

2. FIle a WRITTEN complaint with the Better Business Bureau. CC the person in question.

3. File a WRITTEN complaint with your local LE and with the person's local LE. As each of them what legal recourse you have given the facts of the situation. CC the person with any such complaint letters.

4. Contact the BATF and the post office. If possible, based on the information you obtain from them, file WRITTEN complaints with each of them and CC the person with any such complaint letters. Ask these organizations about your legal recourse given the situation.

5. In your spare time, start joining gun forums--as many as possible--and posting your story. KEEP IT AS BRIEF AND AS PURELY FACTUAL AS POSSIBLE. DO NOT SPECULATE OR GET EMOTIONAL. Include enough information to get the point across and to document the situation. Don't forget that these days it's not uncommon for gun sellers to also have forums.

For this to work, you're going to have to put in some real time and effort. Forget about posting something once in awhile on a gun forum or two and thinking you're covered. The CC letters need to amount to a sizeable stack of paper.
 
As I said before, it's long past time to stop trying to do the internet justice thing and get the real justice involved. Couple pages back someone posted a link to lawyer referral in the offending party's area and that's where you should continue this discussion.

If you're uncomfortable with dealing with an out of state entity, I'd suggest engaging with a lawyer in your state who can better communicate with an attorney licensed to practice in Missouri. Yes, it will cost you money up front and your pistol is going to cost you more than you bargained for, but there's a caveat.

Lawyers aren't stupid, they know how these games are played and how it affects both their clients and their bottom line, so what they tend to do is to ask for damages that precalculate their expenses and fees as well as damages due you. It's part of their game, no choice but to accept it.

What that means is, should you opt for this method, the defendant will be served with a notice informing him of the pending action and expected damages until or unless he makes good on his end of the deal. Nine times out of ten, people in that position choose to settle out of court to avoid getting really screwed as they can be.

What you're doing right now, here and over at Cast Boolits, is potentially damaging your case and giving him ammunition for his defense. Forget 'internet shaming him', it'll only bite you in the behind when the dust settles.

Mods, for the OP's own good, I'd shut down this thread before it ends up playing into the opposing side's hand, because in cases like this, any and all communications related to the case can and will be brought to bear on both sides. Each declamatory statement posted, by both plaintiff and others, may be used against him and could quite possibly be used in a defamation counter suit, which would drag the whole process out even longer, given the interstate nature of the case.

This is just my two cents worth, but I hope OP chooses the right course of action. Good luck to you, sir

Unless OP is lying there is no legal ground for defamation based on what has been posted here.

More to the point, OP seems to be using this thread as a place to log notes and events with a time stamp while also potentially seeking advice.

I very much doubt having this thread open could in any way harm anyone but Ross.

But, I'm not a lawyer.
 
Sue him and take him on Judge Judy. She can handle cases up to 5k. I bet she wouldn't shut anything down but him. He would be a fool not go appear there if you could the suit to go through that channel. If I understand how that show works, there is basically a certain amount of money for every case. I was told by someone it was $5k. The amount awarded is deducted from that and both the participants split the rest. Pretty good deal unless she decides to award someone $5k. I guess the other person gets nothing?
 
I bought my JRC many years back and had no troubles doing so but, i have noticed he's no where as active on forums lately? I hope and pray noting is wrong with his health? He was running a special on them for a while years back over on S&W forum. John's a very knowledgable man on the 500 S&Ws and developed a lot of information about this gun and caliber early on and publish a great book full of useful facts. What leads you to believe this is the same John Ross(www.facebook.com/john.ross.56232938)?
Best of luck with this endeavor, Steve
 
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I bought my JRC many years back and had no troubles doing so but, i have noticed he's no where as active on forums lately? I hope and pray noting is wrong with his health? He was running a special on them for a while years back over on S&W forum. John's a very knowledgable man on the 500 S&Ws and developed a lot of information about this gun and caliber early on and publish a great book full of useful facts. What leads you to believe this is the same John Ross(www.facebook.com/john.ross.56232938)?
Best of luck with this endeavor, Steve
He posts pictures of himself on some of his threads in gun forums. 100% the same person.
 
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When I had this happen to me (out of state boat purchase, 2k deposit)

I contacted sellers local law enforcement. The officer was a complete gentleman. He offered to go knock on sellers door as a courtesy and inform him of the pending felony charge (over 500$). Seller refund my deposit promptly and we sent a care basket to the station.
 
Mtshooter69
Man, I keep checking in and hoping for a satisfactory resolution, if that's even possible now.

I'm having a similar issue with a very well known custom gun Smith. 10 weeks for a rear sight that I install myself. Just a rear sight. 10 weeks.

Seems like a few, fortunately very few, top gunsmiths get a god complex and wonder why they start losing business.

But,,,, he doesn't have my gun or much money. Your situation is way worse. You are the victim of a crime, fraud. Respond accordingly. You've gotten some good advice. Get an attorney as advised and go scorched earth on this unprofessional "smith" before he does any more damage to the industry.

We're attacked from every side, now this guy is planting landmines in our own camp.

Mod: If I crossed a line here, edit or delete my post as you see fit. Please keep this thread open. It's too important to close.
 
It looks to me like this person has dug in and believes he can stand any pain you can bring his way. I seriously doubt you're going to get the gun. My guess is that he's just going to make it as hard as possible for you to get your money

Unfortunately, I think this is the case. I'm familiar with this kind of idiot. They think your objection to their malfeasance justifies doubling down on it.
 
Unfortunately, I think this is the case. I'm familiar with this kind of idiot. They think your objection to their malfeasance justifies doubling down on it.

This. The logic is perverted, but some of these folk have very twisty brains.

mtshooter69:

I would suggest it is time to contact LEAs local to both parties, as well as pertinent federal sorts. As well as a lawyer familiar with these matters to do some lawyering.

Good luck.
 
MTSHOOTER:

While this thread doesn't seem to be helping you much, it is helping others. :)Word spreads fast these days. 1 hour ago I made the comments above at 9:53. Exactly 7 minutes later, the company I'm dealing with contacted me after 10 weeks of nothing and gave me a very understandable and professional explanation for the delay and lack of communication. I still hold them in high regard.

Forums like this are a great resource and can nudge a bad situation in a better direction.

Are you seeing this Mr. Ross? I know you're a member here. Swallow your injured pride. You are in the wrong here. Be the professional you claim to be. And fulfill your obligations. Be a man. Do the right thing and you can recover from this. Salvage what little is left of your reputation. End this by doing the right thing, we will remember that too.

I already decided that I would never do business with you, and told you that on the phone. I can safely assume others have taken you off their buy list.

It can, and more than likely will, get worse. Fix this.
 
warnerwh and Gordon have touched upon "the elephant in the room": one would think by now the OP would be sharing with us his journey through the legal process. He's received a lot of good advice, support, and direction. But not a peep about starting anything. Hmmmmm.....!
 
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