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Well, what are the alternatives? None of the folks in charge get that 99.3% of all gun owners NEVER will be a danger to society in general. Is this why the 0.7% are ignored?
 
Well, what are the alternatives? None of the folks in charge get that 99.3% of all gun owners NEVER will be a danger to society in general. Is this why the 0.7% are ignored?
Oh, they get it. But their job, and I'm talking politicians, is to get reelected, nothing else matters. If you look at it in that context, it really doesn't matter to them what's truth, what's right, what will work or not work, only the perception that they're doing something. What they stand for changes according to the lastest polls.
 
Obviously the answers is to create a list with the name of everyone that owns a firearms. Then closely monitor all their social media accounts and tap their phones. The list could be made public, and anyone could then anonymously report whether they think they are acting strangely. That way teams can be deployed to do a no knock raid, to shoot their dog and confiscate their weapons of war for safekeeping while their mental state is being evaluated at a state facility.

Then we will all be safe!
 
To those interested in the 20 page report itself, Homeland Security Digital Library, US Secret Service "Mass Attacks in Public Spaces - 2018" [open pdf - 3MB]:
https://www.hsdl.org/?view&did=826876

In addition there are the FBI Active Shooter Incident reports (public shooting sprees where police or bystanders were in a position to intervene):
Schweit, Katherine W., "Active Shooter Incidents in the United States in 2014 and 2015", Federal Bureau of Investigation, 2016
_ https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/activeshooterincidentsus_2014-2015.pdf
"Active Shooter Incidents in the United States in 2016 and 2017", Federal Bureau of Investigation, April 2018.
_ https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/active-shooter-incidents-us-2016-2017.pdf

FBI Active Shooter Incident reports 2014-2015 and 2016-2017 note that of a total 90 incidents, 14 active shooters were stopped by bystanders who were not police. The FBI 2016-2017 report stated: "Their selfless actions likely saved many lives."
In the fourteen successful interventions:
7 unarmed citizens confronted, restrained, blocked, or talked the shooter into surrender.
1 citizen with pepper spray restrained the shooter.
4 citizens with firearms permits exchanged gunfire with the shooter.
2 citizens with firearms permits detained the shooter at gunpoint for arrest by responding police.
In three other incidents, citizens with firearms permits intervened without success:
1 was killed.
1 was wounded.
1 forced the shooter to flee the original crime scene.
I find no incident in the FBI reports of responding police shooting a citizen who was acting in defense of self or others or who was detaining the spree shooter.

Of active shooter incidents meeting the FBI definition, citizens with firearms permits intervened in 9 incidents, 1 out of 10.


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Apples, and Oranges, and Pears, Oh My.

Mass Attack in a Public Space, to the USSS, is defined as an incident "during which three or more persons were harmed", not necessarily killed, carried out in a public place. "[W]e included acts of intentional violence in public (e.g., parks, community events, retail establishments) or semi-public (e.g., workplaces, schools, religious establishments) places during which significant harm was caused to three or more persons [regardless of weapon(s) used]. We excluded violence related to criminal acts (e.g., gang or drug activity), failed attempts at a mass attack, or spontaneous group violence [riot, flash mob, etc]."
Active Shooter Incident, to the FBI, is defined as "a situation in which a shooting is in progress" and "both law enforcement personnel and citizens have the potential to affect the outcome of the event based upon their responses", regardless of body count.
Mass Killing, to federal law enforcement, is defined as three or more (not counting the killer) dead from any cause. Mass killings are not solely mass shootings.
For 2016-2017, 40% of Active Shooter Incidents also met the definition of Mass Killing.

United States Secret Service (USSS) Mass Attack in a Public Space definition appears to include FBI Active Shooter Incident.
Active Shooter Incident (a shooting in public where police or bystanders could intervene) may have no one harmed or killed, or may meet Mass Attack in a Public Space if three or more harmed, or meet Mass Killing if three or more are killed.

But, FBI Active Shooter Incident and USSS Mass Attack in a Public Space exclude crimes in private places without witnesses other than perpetrator(s) and victim(s), such as the typical gang violence or most assaults or homicides, which usually occur when and where there is no chance of response by law enforcement or bystanders.
 
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I find no incident in the FBI reports of responding police shooting a citizen who was acting in defense of self or others or who was detaining the spree shooter.

Of active shooter incidents meeting the FBI definition, citizens with firearms permits intervened in 9 incidents, 1 out of 10.

I know of one incident that will probably upset the apple cart. I thought it had been discussed on THR.
https://www.montgomeryadvertiser.co...ed-thanksgiving-galleria-shooting/2778689002/

Short synopsis, there was a shooting at the Galleria in Hoover AL. Hoover PD respond and see a man running with a pistol in his hand, some said to confront the gunman. He was ordered to stand and didn't comply. I wasn't there, but consensus seems to be that he was going to confront the shooter, somehow didn't hear the officer or didn't think HE was the one who needed to stop, and he was shot and killed.
 
In Illinois we recently had proposed legislation that would require FOID holders to disclose their social media accounts and allow the state police to review those accounts, denying people the right to own firearms based on their social media posts. One of the numerous problems with the legislation is that it didn't define what the criteria was for a denial. I don't want to lose my 2A rights because I criticized the Dems who run this state. I understand that warning signs should be paid attention to, but monitoring the social media activities of every person is not possible, nor do I want to lose my 1A or 2A rights because some anti didn't agree with my beliefs.

I attached a link to what China is doing, where many of your rights are based on your social media score. Be careful what you wish for.

https://www.businessinsider.com/chi...8-4#7-being-publicly-named-as-a-bad-citizen-7
 
In Illinois we recently had proposed legislation that would require FOID holders to disclose their social media accounts and allow the state police to review those accounts, denying people the right to own firearms based on their social media posts. One of the numerous problems with the legislation is that it didn't define what the criteria was for a denial. I don't want to lose my 2A rights because I criticized the Dems who run this state. I understand that warning signs should be paid attention to, but monitoring the social media activities of every person is not possible, nor do I want to lose my 1A or 2A rights because some anti didn't agree with my beliefs.

I attached a link to what China is doing, where many of your rights are based on your social media score. Be careful what you wish for.

https://www.businessinsider.com/chi...8-4#7-being-publicly-named-as-a-bad-citizen-7
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In Illinois we recently had proposed legislation that would require FOID holders to disclose their social media accounts and allow the state police to review those accounts, denying people the right to own firearms based on their social media posts. One of the numerous problems with the legislation is that it didn't define what the criteria was for a denial. I don't want to lose my 2A rights because I criticized the Dems who run this state. I understand that warning signs should be paid attention to, but monitoring the social media activities of every person is not possible, nor do I want to lose my 1A or 2A rights because some anti didn't agree with my beliefs.

I attached a link to what China is doing, where many of your rights are based on your social media score. Be careful what you wish for.

https://www.businessinsider.com/chi...8-4#7-being-publicly-named-as-a-bad-citizen-7
Talk about Big Brother.....

I'm sure Mr. Orwell would have loved that. I guess if you don't post much on social media it proves you've got something to hide.
 
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My parents came here from Poland after WW2, during which quite a few of my family members did not survive the Nazis. Much of my family stayed and lived under the thumb of the Soviet Union. There's a lot of truth to what you posted.
 
It would be a dangerous path to start criminalizing what one is capable of doing. Fortunately, we have a system of "innocent until proven guilty". The only recourse we have is to provide stiff penalties for law-breakers. Unfortunately, we live in a day and age devoid of personal responsibility, where criminals have total disregard for the results of their actions, both inflicted and personal.
 
Melissa Brown, "Alabama police officer won't be charged in fatal Thanksgiving mall shooting", Montgomery Advertiser, 5 Feb 2019.

Emantic "EJ" Bradford Jr (21) was shot and killed 22 Nov 2018 by a police officer responding to a shooting at Riverchase Galleria, Hoover, AL. Bradford himself was responding to the shooting of Brian Wilson (18) and an unnamed 12 y.o. by one Erron Brown (20) who was later arrested in Atlanta. Bradford fired no shots and by most accounts was responding in defense of others by drawing his gun and running toward the actual shooter.

The FBI Active Shooter Incident reports 2018-2019 should be released in 2020. How this incident is covered could be interesting, considering 2014-2015 and 2016-2017 had reports of nine armed citizens in mass attacks in public spaces (ten counting the guy with pepper spray) and no shootings by responding police.
 
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Obviously the answers is to create a list with the name of everyone that owns a firearms. Then closely monitor all their social media accounts and tap their phones. The list could be made public, and anyone could then anonymously report whether they think they are acting strangely. That way teams can be deployed to do a no knock raid, to shoot their dog and confiscate their weapons of war for safekeeping while their mental state is being evaluated at a state facility.

Then we will all be safe!
Like the current fad of Red Flag Laws?
 
It would be a dangerous path to start criminalizing what one is capable of doing. Fortunately, we have a system of "innocent until proven guilty". The only recourse we have is to provide stiff penalties for law-breakers. Unfortunately, we live in a day and age devoid of personal responsibility, where criminals have total disregard for the results of their actions, both inflicted and personal.
Because it costs too much to keep them in the lap of luxury inside prison. Take away the TVs, libraries, the weights the free medical and food. Bring back the chain gangs and prisons like they have in South America, Middle East and Asia. You want ton eat? Your family better be bringing you your food.
 
Obviously the answers is to create a list with the name of everyone that owns a firearms. Then closely monitor all their social media accounts and tap their phones. The list could be made public, and anyone could then anonymously report whether they think they are acting strangely. That way teams can be deployed to do a no knock raid, to shoot their dog and confiscate their weapons of war for safekeeping while their mental state is being evaluated at a state facility.

Then we will all be safe!

Yep, I'd also welcome doxing anyone who is pro 2nd amendment, that way, all the holier-than-thou progressives can be triggered and enabled to harass you, post-haste, as you are a bigot, and a hater, and a thorn in the side of the progressive/Democrat party movement to fully indoctrinate and subjugate the general population and usher in the new utopian society that Stalin, Castro and Moa Tse Tung would all be proud of.
 
Finding show most all spree killers have violent backgrounds, mental issues and posted warnings about themselves on social media of some sort.
All of these may have been prevented?

Do you really want the government to keep that close of an eye on everyone? Yourself included...

The government doesn't have to keep tabs. Living in Broward County where the POS got his 15 mins of fame at Marjorie Stoneman Douglas School I followed the story pretty closely and the dropped balls by many government agencies from BSO to FBI were glaring and frightening. Several people "saw something" and then "said something", unfortunately they said something to stone statues, apparently. The little troll (I refuse to say his name) wasn't investigated very thoroughly, he was even expelled for bringing bullets to school. Nothing flagged in FDLE computer so he passed a background check. ]
I want someone reported to the police to be investigated, at least. Not a full breach SWAT raid, but at least begin looking into their social media and interviewing other acquaintances.
 
For everyone that does something there probably is a 1000 that gives all the same signs be careful it’s a slippery road punishing someone from showing signs of possibility committing a crime
 
Melissa Brown, "Alabama police officer won't be charged in fatal Thanksgiving mall shooting", Montgomery Advertiser, 5 Feb 2019.
Emantic "EJ" Bradford Jr (21) was shot and killed 22 Nov 2018 by a police officer responding to a shooting at Riverchase Galleria, Hoover, AL. Bradford himself was responding to the shooting of Brian Wilson (18) and an unnamed 12 y.o. by one Erron Brown (20) who was later arrested in Atlanta. Bradford fired no shots and by most accounts was responding in defense of others by drawing his gun and running toward the actual shooter.
The FBI Active Shooter Incident reports 2018-2019 should be released in 2020. How this incident is covered could be interesting, considering 2014-2015 and 2016-2017 had reports of nine armed citizens in mass attacks in public spaces (ten counting the guy with pepper spray) and no shootings by responding police.

Any armed citizen needs to stand down whenever LEO arrive on site. Just like in first aid where a person renders aid until professional medical personnel arrive, once the pros get there it's time to let them handle it, if for no reason other than it's impossible for them to determine who is who in a situation and they have to assume anyone without 6" high letters spelling out POLICE on their backs is a bad guy.
 
It's a tough call, but most gun owners oppose everything that would help. That is the purpose of "red flag laws". There have been attempts to do a background check of peoples social media as part of the normal background checks to purchase guns. I don't have the answer, but would like to see some of this done if a way can be found to do it right.

Remember Richard Jewel, the accused bomber during the 1996 olympics in Atlanta. He matched the profile perfectly, had his life ruined and by the time they figured out he was a hero, not the bomber it was too late.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Jewell

but at least begin looking into their social media and interviewing other acquaintances.

Remember, it is gun owners who most strongly oppose doing just this.
 
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