Welcome to New Pink Pistols members.

Permits:

GA
ID
NH
OR
AK*
VT*

Looking to get to Washington to pick one up there and just playing with the idea to get a CA license (if they allow CCW/CHL out of state).

Wayne

* = "you don't need no stinkin permit" .

"Rhode Island", and their court just declared the state shall issue.

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When did this happen???

What I want to know is why not just be part of a mainstream gun group?

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I'll take a stab at that. I think it's because it's natural to want to be part of an organization that more specifically attracts like minded people. For example, all other things being the same (that is if my membership could accomplish just as much good) I'd rather be a member of the "conservative, libertarian, christian, pro-gun alliance" than just a member of the NRA (not to say you can't or shouldn't be both).

I wouldn't be at all surprised to find a person who had been raped might prefer to be a member of "rape survivors for gun rights".

I think it's also fair to note that people who are apparently gay have been more likely to experience off-the-cuff stranger-stranger violence than the average person in our society, at least in my lifetime. I think there's a real objective that can be accomplished by pink pistols in reminding the kind of person who thinks it's fun to assault people based on their perception of that person being an easy target, that they may in fact not be an easy target.

Oleg's poster about armed seniors being a good example of the above.

Even though we are all equal-we are all different. One of the more fascinating and intriguing aspects of life is the opprtunity to talk, and learn about our differences. We can even laugh together about them. Life would be oh so boring if we were all the same. My experience has been that those who are intolerant of others fear differences. The tolerant and civil nature of The High Road is to be commended. Oleg-your brainchild is becoming an adult, and it looks like the father has done a damn good job.

Followup to the CCW question:

Is/has your sexual orientation been a factor/component in the desire or the process of obtaining the CCW? (If that question makes sense).

Why not be part of a mainstream gun group?
Let me be more direct and say that many would reject or otherwise make uncomfortable any GLBT (learned a new acronym) that musters up the courage to join.Even if not that, the sheer awkwardness that many straight men feel around gays makes interaction stilted and difficult. I'm not even suggesting that gun owners are more homophobic than the general population. I just know that the general population contains many people that are uncomfortable around GLBTs because they are GLBT. With the possible exception of lesbians, where they (the straight men) are just leering.
An attitude like "I'm for gun rights but I want a constitutional amedment to limit your rights" might also be off-putting.
Interest specific groups also have better answers to questions, like reconciling gun rights with other personal beliefs. "How can I be socially liberal and still believe in gun rights?" Things like that are more easily solved by those who faced the same conflict. That is why many therapy groups (rape victims, cancer survivors, etc.) are led by those who have been through the same problem.

As far as the minority part, I will say that few Americans were that concerned about Vincent Chan. Nor the fact that on a per student basis (much) more money is spent on English as a second language classes for Mexican students than Asian students. A smaller gap would be great. Or that a reason police find little help in Chinatowns in solving cases is that the police department often does not follow through on promises, leaving the (testifying) witnesses and their families out to dry. There are better political issues that the Chinese-American community are concerned with, but those spring to mind.

I got my CCW(s) because I can. But setting an example for the GLBT community is part of it - I can speak from authority when I describe the process.

Oh, and I'm in a BUNCH of RKBA organizations, as well as Pink Pistols:
Life member NRA, GOA, CRPA
Member GOC, JPFO, AFA, SAS, Liberty Belles
Member IDPA, USPSA, West End Gun Club

I'll join and work with ANYONE who supports the RKBA, the more 2nd Amendment Absolutist the better, as long as they're pro freedom for EVERYONE; no racists or totalitarianists - as far as I'm concerned, the RKBA is for OPPOSING such.

An attitude like "I'm for gun rights but I want a constitutional amedment to limit your rights" might also be off-putting.
Interest specific groups also have better answers to questions, like reconciling gun rights with other personal beliefs. "How can I be socially liberal and still believe in gun rights?"

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Agreed. Without getting into the argument of whether homosexuality is right or wrong, or morally ethical or predisposed or a matter of choice (all of which are red herrings, IMO), I reject this whole concept of a constitutional amendment "banning gay marriage". I, for one, don't want ANYONE diddling with the Constitution. IF there is a problem with the definition of marriage, that problem was created by the courts, and it is judges who need to be removed/impeached. Think about it. We can't advocate a constitutional amendment every time some activist judge overreaches his/her authority with some decision that is considered outrageous by the vast majority.

The question "How can I be socially liberal and still believe in gun rights?"
is very telling. It would seem ANY 'social libertarian's' primary concern is the preservation of ALL individual rights, not some over others.

Some of our fellow citizens may engage in private behavior that does not meet the approval of others. Neither does it harm the others and there is no 'public policy' reason to prohibit or limit that behavior. For example, there are lots of people who eat catfish, crawdads, chitlins and sweetbreads. To me, that is revulsive, but no reason to outlaw it. It is my choice not to go to their house for dinner.

I oppose the Patriot Acts for the same reason. To me, terrorism is the governments problem They are the ones who failed prior to 9/11, not the American people. For .gov to turn around and impose sanctions on the citizens of this country is ludicrous. We paid for security. We didn't get it.
We should get a refund and an apology.

Anyone who supports the 2A is my ally.

The question "how can I be socially liberal and still believe in gun rights" was something I made up at the spur of the moment.
However, being fine with abortion and GBLT rights is generally considered socially liberal.
There is also a difference between "Liberal" as the parties choose to define it and liberal.

Here in California

Pink Pistols IS a mainstream gun group!

Is/has your sexual orientation been a factor/component in the desire or the process of obtaining the CCW? (If that question makes sense).

Not for me. I've always been warrior-oriented if you want to call it that--martial arts, archery, and firearms have always been an interest. I enlisted in the military but asthma kept me out.

Is/has your sexual orientation been a factor/component in the desire or the process of obtaining the CCW? (If that question makes sense).

Not for me. I've always been warrior-oriented if you want to call it that--martial arts, archery, and firearms have always been an interest. I enlisted in the military but asthma kept me out.

Did my sexuality influence my gun rights?

That's kinda hard.

I knew I was "different" at a VERY early age. I was also introduced to firearms at a VERY early age (like 7 years old I believe).

I don't think I COOULD be more "pro-firearms", and I think I'd be just as adamant if I had "turned out" straight.

However, I don't think I'd LIKELY "bother" with obtaining my CHL if I weren't significantly more "at risk" of harm BECAUSE I'm a lesbian ... though since I'm not - who knows?

I too have always been more "identified" as a "warrior" type. Though blades are my "true love" I have to admit firearms are less "messy" and more efficient

Welcome aboard. How do people join the Minnesota Pink Pistols?

Like Oleg's graphic says, "armed gays don't get bashed".

Gay 2nd amendment supporters have the key to showing the hypocrisy of our would-be masters like Senator Boxer. Just ask why they are against the rights of gays to protect themselves and watch them turn purple. Also, you can bring the issue to a group of people who will never otherwise hear it, and do it in a way that they will understand. This issue isn't liberal vs. conservative, Democrat vs. Republican(strictly speaking of course) but rather freedom and responsibility against those who will tell you what to do.


Welcome

dustind,

The National Pink Pistols is currently doing some SERIOUS updating, and several pages have been "in and out" all day today... including the "Twin Cities" chapter's page.

So please be patient. try this link, if it "cannot be found" then try tomorrw, etc... sorry, but when a group ins "updating" the servers, things "happen".

http://www.pinkpistols.org/local/tc/index.html

How on earth do you vote?!

I mean...

Typically, it seems like the 2nd amendment respecting candidates are not the 'gay rights' (pardon my shallow understanding of these issues) candidates.

Do you ever find yourselves in weird voting situations where you can pick the gun friendly candidate...but they're decidedly not gay friendly, or the gay friendly candidate who is not gun friendly?

Does that make sense? And I apologize in advance if I offended anyone with broad stereotypes or anything, it seems like it's sort of hard to be straight and even presume to address homosexuality without somehow ruffling feathers...not my intent, I'm just curious how you resolve what I would guess would be significant political representation conflict.

Do you ever find yourselves in weird voting situations where you can pick the gun friendly candidate...but they're decidedly not gay friendly, or the gay friendly candidate who is not gun friendly?

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Yup. You have to pick the topic that's most important. The problem is, without the right to firearms, we have no way to really defend the basic right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Many, many times, guns will win out over most other topics.

When did this happen???

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Sorry for not responding sooner. The Rhode Island Supreme Court ruled that RIGL 11-47-11, the town licensing CCW statute, is MANDATORY in nature. Meaning that the state RKBA is fulfilled because people who have proper reason for permits (including gun collection and self defense) must be issued permits.

"Do you ever find yourselves in weird voting situations where you can pick the gun friendly candidate...but they're decidedly not gay friendly, or the gay friendly candidate who is not gun friendly?"

A generalization from many decades of observing:

A gun-friendly candidate might be anti-gay, but he's not particularly an activist about it. I've yet to see a gay-friendly politician who is gun-friendly. I'm not saying these are absolutes, but I strongly believe they're representative of the majority of politicos.

Art

neoncowboy stated:
I mean...

Typically, it seems like the 2nd amendment respecting candidates are not the 'gay rights' (pardon my shallow understanding of these issues) candidates.

Do you ever find yourselves in weird voting situations where you can pick the gun friendly candidate...but they're decidedly not gay friendly, or the gay friendly candidate who is not gun friendly?

Does that make sense? And I apologize in advance if I offended anyone with broad stereotypes or anything, it seems like it's sort of hard to be straight and even presume to address homosexuality without somehow ruffling feathers...not my intent, I'm just curious how you resolve what I would guess would be significant political representation conflict.

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Thanks for going OVERBOARD in expressing your not intending to "ruffle feathers" - IMO, you didn't - but I've quite amiable... OMMV. You're just stating fact. It IS more difficult, IMO, to figure out the "lesser of 2 evils" I mean "regular" folks have ENOUGH trouble choosing the appropriate candidate... add in the guns/gays issues and it gets diffiicult.

Someone else touched on this, I've found many candidates who are "pro-gun" may be "anti-gay" but they TEND to not be RABIDLY anti-gay. Conversely, those who TEND to be very "pro-gay" TEND to be "anti-firearm" but usually not RABIDLY "anti-firearm" .... oftentimes for myself, I look at the WHOLE picture/climate and determine which issue is "most at risk" in that particular election... and vote accordingly.

Thing is, here in Ohio, we have a couple of RINOs for Senators, and a RINO Governor. They are about as WORTHLESS pieces of gargage as one can be and still be classified as "human". They are anti-firearms and anti-gays. So it's easy to vote for the anti-firearms Democrats instead... since they could HARDLY do worse than a D- and an F (grades from the NRA for our RINO Senators) and are likely to at LEAST do "fair" on the GLBT issues.

OMMV.

To all those who are out of the gun closet so to speak
Welcome!

cheers, ab

Who cares if you're gay? You just better like to shoot.

WELCOME!

I've gotta join TCPP...if my life ever settles down enough to give me five extra minutes a week!

I've found many candidates who are "pro-gun" may be "anti-gay" but they TEND to not be RABIDLY anti-gay. Conversely, those who TEND to be very "pro-gay" TEND to be "anti-firearm" but usually not RABIDLY "anti-firearm" .... oftentimes for myself, I look at the WHOLE picture/climate and determine which issue is "most at risk" in that particular election... and vote accordingly.

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The question of how do you approach clusters of voting trends is always a difficult one. The problem with gay and lesbian issues makes it even more complicated because these issues blur both social and economic boundaries.

My favorite niece happens to be Lesbian and at the same time predominantly conservative in her political leanings. With her conservativism comes a hard RKBA stance and a soft right to life belief (though her mother is a fiscal conservative, hard anti-right-to-life, hard RKBA and a soft anti-gay voter). My own mother happens to be a flaming liberal commie Democrat except for hard anti-gay and solid RKBA. Needless to say these inconsistancies drive me nuts and I'm on speaking terms only with my niece.

So how to seek and find the biggest and broadest RKBA block? It would be nice to find some way of convincing sufficient numbers of voters that the Brady bunch are flaming loons so a degree sufficient to make RKBA a given for all candidates no matter what their politics. This is essential so that we could recruit from all sides of the other issues.