Pistol handloads - what’s accurate to you?

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Admittedly I have a “good enough” attitude when it comes to loading for pistol. If I can get 3” @ 25 yards off the rest, I’m happy. But lately I’ve been wanting to tune for accuracy a bit more and I’m looking for some realistic goals to aim for.

When are you satisfied with the accuracy of a pistol handload?
 
Presbyopia, dontchaknow ... :(
It doesnt matter what church you attend!
I dont have strict, set criteria for handload accuracy. So much of the time, the inaccurate shots are operator error. My loads must be:
Shootable
Accurate
Reliable
Reproduceable(is that a word?)
I'll say 10 shot string off a rest at 25yds in a NRA B13 for a 90 or better.
 
I'm generally happy with center of mass on a 1/2 size target at 25 yards. Most of my pistol range time is reserved for self defense drills. Double taps, multiple targets, weapon retention, dueling tree, and hostage targets. I practice with soft target loads and heavier self defense loads.

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Depends on the platform. 3" @ 25 yards with my 637, I'd pee right down my leg. 3" @ 25 yards with either my P.C. .44 Magnum Hunter or my P.C .46o Compensated Hunter, I'd be a tad disgusted.

I should have specified, 3”@25yd is with a 4” service revolver or duty size pistol, off a rest. And that’s on a good day.
 
2" @ 25yds is about the best I'm capable of with iron sights on a pistol. That's with my revolvers and handloads using Montana Bulletworks bullets sized for the throat. With other bullets I've used in those same guns, 3" is the best I can usually expect at the same range. I suppose if I were to bag the barrel and butt of the gun, I might see things tighten up a little.

The bottom line though, the weak link in my shooting (even off the bench) is me.
 
Admittedly I have a “good enough” attitude when it comes to loading for pistol. If I can get 3” @ 25 yards off the rest, I’m happy. But lately I’ve been wanting to tune for accuracy a bit more and I’m looking for some realistic goals to aim for.

When are you satisfied with the accuracy of a pistol handload?
I wish I could shoot that well.
 
I've got a 9.5" 44 Mag Ruger Super Redhawk that'll consistently shoot 1.5" 6 shot rested groups at 50 yds.

I would expect no bigger than 3" from 25 yds from a service revolver, but I can easily do sub 2" with a rested 357 Ruger with iron sights at that distance.

And, I consider myself no better than a mediocre shooter.
 
I don't compete with a pistol but I do hunt with several. The hunting pistols have long barrels and some are bolt-actions. I want < 2 inches at 50 yards for these from a rest. 1 1/2" is about right. That translates to 3" at 100 yards.
 
However well I'm able to shoot today is open to question. But for most of my shooting career I'd expect under 2" at 25 yards and under 3" at 50. That would be with any of the guns I owned with a variety of ammo. The reality was a little better. .38 spl wadcutter loads one hole at 25 yards; .357, .41 and .44 mags 1" or less at 25 and 1" to 2.5" at 50 depending on the load. Not off a bench but standing or sitting on the ground. I can't come anywhere near close to that off a bench these days. A very, very, very bad dominant eye.
 
When are you satisfied with the accuracy of a pistol handload?
Off a rest, I'd expect a at least a 3" group at 50 yards with a tuned handload. Standing and shooting off-hand, I'd expect <6" at that same distance (IDPA headbox, 4" Down "0" zone)

I should have specified, 3”@25yd is with a 4” service revolver or duty size pistol, off a rest. And that’s on a good day.
My 4" 686, Python, and 625 will all hold inside 4" when shooting offhand at 25 yards; if I'm not in a hurry, I might shrink it down to 2". Off a rest, I'd expect them to all be less than 2"
 
Generally in each shooting sport, accuracy of half the ten ring is often quoted as a standard. In Bullseye Pistol, the ten ring is the same size at 25 yards and 50 yards. Only the 50 yard line if fired slow fire, at 25 yards you have either 10 seconds to fire five shots (rapid fire) or twenty seconds (timed fire). You shoot each timed fire or rapid fire twice to get ten rounds on the target. This is not as easy as it sounds, as you are shooting with one hand, offhand. Those who shoot using a rest on top of some 300 lb concrete bench ought to see just how tight a group they can fire offhand, one handed, at these distances.

Now this was an exceptional group by a good pistol shooter:

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Ernst, in testing ammunition, decided this was good enough for the 50 yard line:

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and this was a bragging target shot in competition

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this is his 25 yard slow fire target. Sometimes we cannot use the 50 yard butts, so we shoot on a reduced target. But it is a lot harder to shoot the same score, the rings were adjusted so that scores were comparable.

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When I can do this, two handed, at 25 yards, I am happy

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I think this was fired at 25 yards, back then everyone shot Bullseye style, that is one handed. Rapid fire times would have been the same. I have no idea what course of fire they were shooting that required 60 rounds rapid fire. This was made in 1947 and it may have been shot with a revolver. Notice the ten ring has gotten smaller.

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Do this:

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I can hit a barn if both doors are open.
In my Blackhawk at 40 yds I consider less than 2" 6 shot group acceptable.
In my compact 40, I consider less than 2" offhand at 15 yards acceptable.
When I started shooting semis, 4" at 15 was as good as I could get. Your accuracy standard should grow with your skills.
 
As my eyes and body have aged, and I do not shoot as much as I used to, I don' t shoot as tight a group as I used to.

These days for service pistols, or hand guns used in a self defense role, I'm happy when I shoot in the 9 ring or better of an NRA TQ-8 silhouette (25 yard rapid fire target). I set it up for a variety of ranges. I shoot off hand as opposed to on a rest. Except in some shooting games or when hunting, rests are not part of the equation so why bother in my opinion.

When I was shooting IMHSA silhouettes, hitting the 150 meter turkey was the metric for me. If I could hit the turkey with regularity, the round was accurate enough to do well on other targets and ranges.
 
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I don't own a rest so "good enough" is my way of loading also. If I can get a 3" group at 25 yards, I'm plenty happy, and honestly I tend to be happy if I can hit a 6" steel plate at that distance consistently. My eyes kind of blow. I load practice ammo for range fun and plinking, but I load them warm so they simulate recoil on defensive loads. The nice part is that I find even if I'm not shooting real tight groups like a bullseye shooter, when I'm shooting at bad guy distance, I can plug the target center mass pretty quickly.

For me, "aim small, miss small" also translates to "aim big hit fast" at close range. If that makes sense...……...
 
As long as I can hit what I'm aiming at I'm happy. So many inch's at so many yards is not that important to me.

Anymore as long as I can miss the no-shoots I'm Happy!

There is what the ammo can do and what the gun can do and then shooter can do.
I don't have a set number in mind when I am working on loads.
Is it better or is it worse. OK better, now can I find something that is better than the best one I have so far. (if I feel there is a need).
How good it needs to be depends on the need.
For me if it is good enough to shoot as well as I am capable of shooting without a rest I have found a load.
 
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