Glock 22 safety system

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I am a real dummy when it comes to Glock pistols. I watched a video of how the Glock pistols have three safeties on the firing pin and I would like someone to tell me if my pistol has the three safety system. The pistol is a Glock 22 manufactured in December 2008. The serial number begins with MSA. Also, what generation is a Glock 22 manufactured in December 2008. The caliber is 40 S&W. Thanks for your help.
 
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Yes - https://us.glock.com/en/learn/glock-pistols/safe-action-system

And your Glock 22 is Generation 3 with finger grooves which started out in 1995 (Gen2 did not have finger grooves and Gen4 had removable backstrap and came out in 2010) - https://eu.glock.com/en/explore-glock/glock-history

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sage5907 said:
I watched a video of how the Glock pistols have three safeties on the firing pin and I would like someone to tell me if my pistol has the three safety system.
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They all do...

However, pressure applied to the dingus will fire the gun.. this has been caused by keys, strings and many other things aside from a finger. (also not Glock centric)
 
The watchamacallit on the trigger is ONLY a drop safety: its role is to prevent the trigger from being activated by gravity in case the gun falls on the rear of the slide.

It is not a safety aimed at preventing the trigger being pulled by a finger or object: being where it is, anything wanting to pull the trigger will deactivate it. Duh...
 
Thanks for the replies. In the past I have always used a S&W Model 66 which requires a long trigger pull to cock the hammer and fire the round. What I like about the Glock is that the firing pin is always down and it is only cocked by the long pull of the trigger, and the trigger insert has to be pulled before the round will be fired. This seems to be a safe method. Tell me, is it common for law enforcement officers to carry the pistol with a round in the chamber?
 
Tell me, is it common for law enforcement officers to carry the pistol with a round in the chamber?
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Yes, nearly everybody carries them with a round in the chamber.
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What I like about the Glock is that the firing pin is always down and it is only cocked by the long pull of the trigger, and the trigger insert has to be pulled before the round will be fired. This seems to be a safe method.
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Well, the striker is not "always down" once the slide is racked. The striker is not fully cocked, but it is more like two thirds cocked rather than "always down". The thing that keeps the gun from firing is the three drop safeties as depicted in bds post above.

Here's an Ernest Langdon Beretta 92 video where he contrasts a double action trigger pull with the Glock from the 2:10 to 2:40 mark.

 
The dingus does serve a purpose as a trigger safety in some aspects as one has to depress the dingus at the half way mark and lower on the trigger; anything trying to pull the trigger at the top of the trigger or just on the sides of the trigger will not be able to overcome the dingus without serious force. But the dingus' main role is for drop safety like was previously stated, but that isn't it's only protection.
 
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Well, the striker is not "always down" once the slide is racked. The striker is not fully cocked, but it is more like two thirds cocked rather than "always down". The thing that keeps the gun from firing is the three drop safeties as depicted in bds post above.
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I can't figure out how a round can be placed in the chamber without racking the slide. So what you are saying is that if you have a round in the chamber the striker is more or less two thirds cocked.
 
That's what firing pin safety (Safety #2) is for.

Many also carry 1911 chambered with hammer fully cocked and safety on.
 
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In countless matches I have attended, I HAVE SEEN many match shooters (even some seasoned shooters) forget to disable the external safety and NO BANG when the timer buzzer goes off. :eek: Yes, embarrassing and someone in the crowd sometimes yells out, "Not disabling that safety will get you shot in a real gun fight!"


The PROBLEM with a Thumb Safety on a Pistol and advantages of Glock safeties explained - With use of proper holster, holster becomes the external safety. For carry, this is better.

 
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In countless matches I have attended, ...
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I always find it interesting the folks with a gun with a manual safety are so poorly trained they can't operate the safety and will get themselves killed. However, those without a safety on their guns are so well trained they won't accidentally shoot something - like themselves - when they don't intend to.

I'm all about choosing what you like, if folks like the Glock or any other striker fired gun, that's cool, but what I want folks to understand is, other than the trigger simplicity, a Glock is not like a DA revolver. The Glock Safe Action, while neither DA or SA, is much closer to a single action auto than a double action.
 
In case you forgot, this is a Glock 22 and Glock safe action trigger thread. ;):D

Members who know me knows I started out shooting USPSA with 1911, a fan of 1911 and own a Sig 1911 (Oh, I like Sig P226 with DA/SA trigger too, my first 9mm)
 
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My posts were in regards to the OP's understanding that...
sage5907 said:
What I like about the Glock is that the firing pin is always down and it is only cocked by the long pull of the trigger, and the trigger insert has to be pulled before the round will be fired.
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which is an erroneous assumption.

I was clarifying the Glock Safe Action and not commenting on the need or lack of a need for a manual safety.
 
Garandimal, on a dare from my defensive shooting instructor (Who taught PD/SD SWAT and was USPSA RSO) that if I wanted to improve my shooting, I should compete with my defensive pistol. So setting my highly modified 1911 (Did trigger job to 2.5 lbs) that I shot USPSA with aside, I bought another Gen3 Glock 22 to supplement the one I had and shot matches with factory triggers (I did get 40-9 conversion barrel to practice with cheaper 9mm ammo).

I had been shooting matches with my old Glock 22 for a while and on match day with my new Glock 22, some of the match shooters were talking about Glock torture tests and Glocks still firing (This was mid 90s) so I showed the match shooters my new Glock 22 and threw it into a dirt berm. After digging it out, I cycled the slide a few times and slapped in a loaded magazine and ran the stage. No issues.

When I offered the challenge to other match shooters, they all hugged their race/open/limited guns and shook their heads saying, "We are convinced. Glocks work". :D

With the same pistol, I climbed the club ranking to 80 percentile and I do believe my shooting improved, especially for defensive shooting situations as I would have used the same pistol.

On a side note, when we complained to some regional USPSA match shooters that we weren't shooting as fast because they had $3,000 race guns, one of the top shooters took my Glock 22 and verified, "Factory trigger?" and I said, "Yes, factory trigger" and he proceeded to shoot the stage just as fast as with his race gun. With our jaws still dropped to the ground, he said us shooting slow had nothing to do with the pistol and encouraged us to learn the "Zen" way of shooting and proceeded to train us in making holes "appear" on target at will - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-help-me-speed-up.824618/page-4#post-10902226

Now I teach/share defensive point shooting (Yes, sighted shooting is not necessary) as my retirement "Pay It Forward" (I start them off with "Zen" of shooting - You know, life is short and we die and stuff) and many new shooters, even female shooters, after shooting many different types of pistols, will often choose Glocks for simplicity and reliability - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...endence-from-work.853305/page-2#post-11175698
 
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sage5907, BTW Gen3 Glock 22 with factory trigger is pretty accurate too.

Here are my 25 yard groups I shot while fine tuning my test loads with BE-86 - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/40-s-w-powder.851647/page-3#post-11150251

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Yeah, many shooters couldn't believe I got sub 2" group at 25 yards with factory Glock 22 so I had a THR member meet me at the range to verify 25 yard groups in person and produced the following.

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JTQ said:
I always find it interesting the folks with a gun with a manual safety are so poorly trained they can't operate the safety and will get themselves killed. However, those without a safety on their guns are so well trained they won't accidentally shoot something - like themselves - when they don't intend to.
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There's a significant difference between disengaging a mechanical safety and keeping your finger off the trigger until you're ready to shoot.
 
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a Glock is not like a DA revolver.
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Yep, a Glock is not like a revolver.

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The Glock Safe Action, while neither DA or SA, is much closer to a single action auto than a double action.
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How do you figure? The Glock trigger pushes the striker back, and when it reaches its release point the striker is released and the gun fires. In a double action semi auto pistol the trigger pushes the hammer back until it gets to its release point, when it does the hammer drops and the gun fires. Seems similar to me.
 
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