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I've thought about adding another progressive to my bench, but procrastination has it's up side...what stopped me from getting a 650, while deciding between a 650 and 1050, was the introduction of the Pro Chucker 7; what stopped me from getting a Pro Chucker 7 was the introduction of the Mark 7 Evolution
 
I’m hopefully that there will be fair number of 650 owners dumping their 650s for the 750.

I’d love to pick up another 650 at a good price so I could have 2: one dedicated to small primers and one to large primers
 
If I wanted to upgrade, I would think selling the 650 first would provide the least financial hit?
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I imagine this would be correct. Kind of like you can’t trade a used 550 for a new LNL. I wouldn’t take a new 750 for one of my 650’s. If someone thinks they would prefer that primer system, it’s likely because they don’t own both 550’s and 650’s.
 
I’ve never used a Dillon press, so I know nothing about the primer systems except what I see on Youtube. Given the number of chain detonations of 650 primer tubes, do you think changing the primer system from rotating dial to slide bar on the 750 was technology inspired or lawyer inspired?

On a side note, I hate that RCBS hoarded the APS system so no one else could use it and then abandoned it when they “upgraded”. Personally, Pro Chuckers would be a whole lot more attractive if they used APS strips.
 
higgite said:
...........technology inspired or lawyer inspired?
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I haven't yet heard a 650 owner saying, "about time" they changed the 650 back to 550 tech...... jmorris has seen a detonation and he's not convinced.....

Lawyer inspired? Maybe.....but my money's on money. They are cheaper to build and they think they still work fine.....and the idea that they might be less likely to require free parts replacement....is gravy on it.

higgite said:
On a side note, I hate that RCBS hoarded the APS system so no one else could use it and then abandoned it when they “upgraded”. Personally, Pro Chuckers would be a whole lot more attractive if they used APS strips.
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Again money. You and I know APS is great, but you have to have one to know that.......they did a terrible job of selling it..... then there is the user experience/talent factor.....

jmorris said:
If someone thinks they would prefer that primer system, it’s likely because they don’t own both 550’s and 650’s.
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See? An example. It comes down to the nut pulling the handle and his talent for not breaking things......it is a talent one should try to develop. (jmorris is my inspiration):)

There is no perfect progressive press....not even the 1050 or the Mark 7. Not surprised. There is no perfect press engineer, so what do we expect. If there was, the bean counters and lawyers would interfere anyway. ;)
 
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GW Staar said:
Well.............are you?;)

Maybe this will help....2 more pictures going around.....courtesy of andre3k.
I can't tell what I'm looking at....but real Dillon owners probably can.

News Flash: I'm told Dillon will sell a stripped down version in a few months, but no kits. I'm assuming that means those who want to retire their 650 (not sell it) they can use all the parts that fit a new 750......in a few months....would anyone actually do that? Dillon seems to think so. If I wanted to upgrade, I would think selling the 650 first would provide the least financial hit?
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A primer cam wire. It also looks like the powder bar fail safe is hitched to it.

I'll pass. The primer cam wire on the LnL was about 50% of the problems on my two LnL presses.
 
What, precisely, is the problem with 650 priming that the 750 will address? I ask because I DO prime on the press, and think the priming system on the 650 is excellent. If it gets really dirty, it can flip primers or even present them sideways... but I have mashed a few of the sideways ones flat/squished-into-pocket and didn't get a detonation. What's being "fixed"?
 
GW Staar said:
Profits?

I have wondered if that requires Federal primers?
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Oh, I don't mean to cast aspersions on Dillon's motives for doing this. I'm sure they feel they are responding to some need in the market for some kind of improvement... I'm just puzzled as to what the specific issue is. If it's further idiot-proofing a design that is already, IMO, pretty suitably idiot proofed within the context of the inherently risk-assuming activity of reloading, then I can understand that and decide it's not of sufficient interest to me to pay extra for it (versus a used 650). If that's not really a fair description, then I'd like to know what it is.
 
ATLDave said:
What, precisely, is the problem with 650 priming that the 750 will address? I ask because I DO prime on the press, and think the priming system on the 650 is excellent. If it gets really dirty, it can flip primers or even present them sideways... but I have mashed a few of the sideways ones flat/squished-into-pocket and didn't get a detonation. What's being "fixed"?
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I looked at buying one in the early 80's late 70's. I waked into my LGS and that had one on display that they let people use as a test run before buying. They had a primer feed tube stuck in ceiling, apparently it had just happened a few hours before I got their. So I'm not surprised that Dillon is fixing the problem, but why has it taken them 30+ yrs to do so. The problem is related to a plastic part that gets worn, which causes a jam. If not address it can set off a primer. I would have though it would have been a easier to use a different material that would not cause this problem. This is one of the reason I went with my LNL-AP. Hornady seams to try at least fix problems as they show up between parts run.
 
That I can't tell you since I don't own one. Someone with a 650 will be able to answer that question . What I suspect it had to do with feeding the primer and it gets pinched some how due to excessive wear/sloppiness.
 
Blue68f100 said:
Someone with a 650 will be able to answer that question.
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Well, I'm someone with a 650, and if I could answer the question I wouldn't ask it.

Now, I've only got a few tens of thousands of personally-loaded rounds on mine. But the two previous owners ran up some round counts, too. I don't believe they ever detonated a primer.
 
Blue68f100 said:
I looked at buying one in the early 80's late 70's. I waked into my LGS and that had one on display that they let people use as a test run before buying. They had a primer feed tube stuck in ceiling, apparently it had just happened a few hours before I got their. So I'm not surprised that Dillon is fixing the problem, but why has it taken them 30+ yrs to do so. The problem is related to a plastic part that gets worn, which causes a jam. If not address it can set off a primer. I would have though it would have been a easier to use a different material that would not cause this problem. This is one of the reason I went with my LNL-AP. Hornady seams to try at least fix problems as they show up between parts run.
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There's no plastic part in the 650 priming system. https://www.dillonprecision.com/docs/650_Pg_53.pdf

Perhaps you shouldn't talk about something you know nothing about.

As I've said in the past, the only way to detonate a primer on a 650 is to be a complete and total idiot and force things, or automate it.
 
Texas10mm said:
There's no plastic part in the 650 priming system
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They fixed that on the 750. ;)

I think the part that wears and gives problems, if I remember right, is the plastic end piece at the bottom of the primer tube.....no I was thinking of the primer pickups...they are removed once placed in the machine, so it's a mystery. Jmorris, what did you find that caused your friend's bright and loud experience?

I also think that those thinking about buying a Dillon, (who don't know "nothing about it"), have the right to ask the important questions without the knowledgeable getting defensive. Nobody is trash talking either press, that would be dumb, and unproductive.

Dillon's reputation with customers speaks for itself. The question is, why is Dillon is changing the priming system?.... and will the 750 be as good as the 650? Don't think we will know those answers until people get them.....especially those who have a 650 too, to compare them to.

Premature thinking to be sure, but I tend to think jmorris may be right......economics....
("From a business perspective it’s cheaper to make one thing vs two different things")

And of the two things, if all else is equal, pick the simpler, cheaper one.......we will see.
 
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you're too quick Nature Boy......I was thinking about worn primer pickups....I corrected that already, sorry.

So you have a 650, what do you think the weakness is....stroking too fast? Federal Primers? Both?

What about worn primer pickups allowing a sideways pickup?
 
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