Gun Auctions-Sheeeesh!

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So this has had me wondering for a few weeks...

I have been following an online hunting/fishing/gun auction and they start the bid at $1 and run it for 5 days. Well, it starts off with say an M&P shield going for $10 and then by the end of the auction they are well over the price I could buy it locally. I would watch some of them and for the 5 days it would be $5-15 bids a day and when the last hour is up they were slightly below MSRP and then they would extend the auction for another 4hrs and the winning bid was over MSRP. They would start another auction claiming to be other firearms but everything that either auctioned below MSRP or above would show up in the second auction. Kind of seems like a scam to me. I bid on a Shield that the highest bid was $110. I bid $115 and it was declined. I then bid all the way to $200 until it was accepted. By the end of the auction it was $350 for a Shield 1.0.

I was watching a set of choke tubes that started at $1. When I realized I could use 4 of the chokes and PIF the other 4 the highest bid being mine on day 4 was $16. By the morning of day 5 someone bid $20. I then bid $22 and it was declined and let me bid $26 which stayed that high until the afternoon of the final day. I watched them until the last hour and someone would bid $1-2. They extended the auction another 2hrs until the final bid was $69. Kind of makes me wonder if the auction site is bidding to get some of these guys to get into a bidding war. IMO if someone wanted them bad enough to spend $69 on tubes for 7 different guns then why not bid high earlier and not the last 5min of the auction. This week I have been watching two shooting bags that went from $1 to $19.50. I bid $22 and it was declined and now its over $30.

I told my girlfriend that it seems like either the auction site is out bidding or declining bids to at least make cost or there is some guy somewhere that's all ticked off that someone out bid him by $1 that he will be damned if that person gets that item even if he does pay over MSRP. I also wonder with the same items being in different auctions if the auction place isn't jacking the bid's up hoping someone is dumb enough to out bid them and when no one does they put that item in another auction to try again.

What gives?
 
I treat auctions like this, I set a price in my mind that I couldn’t refuse the item if I could get it that cheap (very important to include other costs like shipping etc) and bid that amount (Always ending with a number over 5) and don’t think of it again.

That’s how I have gotten a number of fantastic deals, I have also lost hundreds of auctions but I have never had hurt feelings or buyers remorse.

My personal best was my $46 shipped Burgmaster. I couldn’t believe it when I was sent the “you won” email.

 
I bid $115 and it was declined. I then bid all the way to $200 until it was accepted.
I bid $22 and it was declined and now its over $30.

Proxy bidding is quite routine in online auctions.. Where you bid the maximum you will pay and It will auto bid for you till you reach that maximum.
 
The point of the auction for the seller/auction house is to drive up the prices as high as possible. I've found it a waste of time to sit and watch auctions and try to figure out the bidding strategies of the potentially hundreds of other bidders. Anymore I do the same as Jmorris and bid the highest amount that's still a really good deal and then forget about it.

If I thought an auction company was scamming bidders I just stop going there. There are plenty of reputable online sources for buying guns and accessories.
 
Well I think I am done with this auction. They have stuff listed as one thing and pictured as another. I put a bid in for a Shield 2.0 9mm without safety and now they changed the description to shield 40cal. I emailed them and pointed out at least 4 things that are described incorrectly and that I want my bid for the now 40cal revoked because I did not bid on a 40cal. One post shows a press and its listed as a scale. No wonder they keep putting the same items in several auctions because seems things aren't what they say and people are backing out. I just find it odd that out of 3 auctions they have the same M&P CORE, Shields, 50 S&W Bodyguards, XD, the same rifles and its funny how the last auction the one rifle a Browning 17HMR within 1-2 days of the 5 day auction was $400. I thought man, someone must really want that HMR. I could see one going for high price but 3 in a row. I saw an XDM ported barrel and all listed as 4'' barrel and then they had a 40cal M&P listed as 17rds. I am glad that I didn't have to give credit card info cause this Shield was definitely changed within the last 3-4hrs. They have a S&W j frame listed as 22WMR. The picture of the box says 38spl +p.
 
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I go to a local auction twice a year when they do guns and ammo, sometimes there is a deal but mostly close to used prices person to person if you add the 10% buyers premium and 8% tax, 300$ gun, 30$ premium, 26.40$ tax makes it 356.40 so keep that in mind, the auctioneer wants uninformed bidders so look up any items you want to bid on.
I was fortunate enough when they had some M&P 45s go through to get some for 200 to 225 while Glocks in 9 and 40 were going for 350 and LGS had returns for around that without the 10% premium. I had just purchased 2 45 shields for 300 and they had a rebate and they were going for 300 to 350 with no rebate :)
 
I only look at the buy now prices. Yes, they are higher, but I know that they won't go any higher, and sometimes you do get a good deal.
 
Shill bidding is a very common thing with online auctions.

Stupid people are another real problem with auctions.

The state of Wisconsin runs a surplus auction website for agencies offloading used stuff. The DNR always has guns listed. The prices are rarely good. You know the problem is stupid people when a used PF9 is $277 plus 17.5% buyers fee, plus background check, plus 5.5% sales tax on the whole thing. And the Taurus Millennium G2 used for $285. I saw a used LCP go for $350 plus fees once, the same week an online retailer was selling them for $169 NIB or something like that...
 
The last live "gun and knife auction" I attended was run by a general auctioneer.
Two things made it pretty well useless.
Alternating $5 pocket knives with $500 guns really dragged out the day.
Many of the owners were present and the auctioneer would say, when bidding had peaked: "Joe, will you sell it for that?" Joe usually said no, and the gun was withdrawn. No bargains to be had.
 
If the auction is taking place on a reputable website you can report any dishonest things they're doing. People bidding more than they should is another story, as you can't fixed dumb or uneducated bidders, nor should you try as it's their problem. As others stated I've bid on quite a few guns on Gunbroker. I put in my maximum bid and leave it alone. I've won a few guns that way at below market prices, and have lost many more bids than I've won. As low as gun prices currently are there's no reason to overpay.
 
Yep set a max price you will pay and have the proxi bid work. I keep track of what l have bid on so if l win a bunch l dont go bankrupt by still bidding on more stuff. This has saved me on one occasion till l got my next paycheck becayse l actually won two firearms the same day. YMMV
 
If the auction is taking place on a reputable website you can report any dishonest things they're doing. People bidding more than they should is another story, as you can't fixed dumb or uneducated bidders, nor should you try as it's their problem. As others stated I've bid on quite a few guns on Gunbroker. I put in my maximum bid and leave it alone. I've won a few guns that way at below market prices, and have lost many more bids than I've won. As low as gun prices currently are there's no reason to overpay.
There's a seller on GB that only lists new guns and always starts them at somewhere around $1. Occasionally you can get a real bargain. More often I'm outbid and it sells for about what you would expect. I follow them precisely because of their low starting bids, and because they don't overcharge for shipping. Unfortunately on GB there are a lot of guys selling a gun who hope to get 100% of their money back and establish their starting bid to reflect that. You just have to skip on by them to get to the occasional acorn among the gravels.
 
Too many get caught up in a mentality of inter bidder competition actual cost be damned. Set your limits and look at buy now.
 
Shill bidding is a very common thing with online auctions.

Stupid people are another real problem with auctions.

The state of Wisconsin runs a surplus auction website for agencies offloading used stuff. The DNR always has guns listed. The prices are rarely good. You know the problem is stupid people when a used PF9 is $277 plus 17.5% buyers fee, plus background check, plus 5.5% sales tax on the whole thing. And the Taurus Millennium G2 used for $285. I saw a used LCP go for $350 plus fees once, the same week an online retailer was selling them for $169 NIB or something like that...

Reminds me of a farm auction a few years back. Lots of people to bid on the fleet of old Ford tractors. Might have been great when new, but you could see the hard foam that had been used to keep things in place, belching black smoke when they would start them up. The lowest any of these ever went was 7 thousand dollars, and seemed to be one particular farmer...something fishy was going on, but oh well. There are better deals out there, just have to look for them.
 
I have tried a few.....the only auction places I will use now are Rock Island and Morphy. Seen too much stupid on other sites, as well as being burned.
 
A friend gets deals at online auctions by keeping an eye out for poor descriptions and misspellings. Says he does well on nice .22s and air rifles because he has searches for six different ways to spell Anschutz.
 
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I attend a lot of local gun auctions and while I see some things that appear "shady", I think most are run ethically.
If I start to suspect something unethical going on, I go to the cashier and cash out. I tell them why...they know me and know that I will spend money but they also know that I will walk out. I know that some of the auctions are attended by collectors with deep pockets and by at least a couple of guys who own retail gun shops. I also know that a couple of auction houses have people who try to bid items up.
I have bought several guns at auctions but mostly concentrate on reloading equipment and components. I always do my research and set personal limits on what I will pay for an item. I do not get caught up in bidding wars.
 
I like Farm, estate, and consignment auctions. I like to be there in person to bid on stuff. I have gotten some fantastic deal. I have also walked away from stuff that sold for over retail, a lot over retail in some cases. Do your research, set a limit on your price, and don't be afraid to walk away. There will always be another sale somewhere.
 
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