Don’t let the price tag fool you...

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I had been wanting a nice Winchester Model 70 in .243 Win for a good while, and I found a deal on a lightly used Supergrade Maple, sold new in Feb 2018. So I took it, and Dad’s Remington 770 to the 100 yard line.

Long story short, the Remmy operated like a cheap gun, and the difference between the two was obvious, but in terms of accuracy, the cheap rifle grouped shots better.

Hornady ammo, 95gr. & 55gr. The Remmy seemed to like the 55 better. The Winchester shot both equally poorly. All two shot groups.

White target- Win 70
Black target- Rem 770
 

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.40 could very well be right about a stock issue. However, I'd first use a F.A.T. wrench and check the torque on the action screws and the scope mount system. Then, I'd shoot it again... maybe with those loads, but definitely with Win. 100gr PowerPoints. If that didn't clear it up, then I'd start in on the stock work... pillar bedding and free-floating.
 
You need to shoot more than 2 shots that’s a pair not a group you don’t have enough data to go off of! Shoot more and if a 770 is outshooting a Model 70 that might be why you got it so cheap it has Major Problems!:what:
 
You need to shoot more than 2 shots that’s a pair not a group you don’t have enough data to go off of! Shoot more and if a 770 is outshooting a Model 70 that might be why you got it so cheap it has Major Problems!:what:

Yeah, major problems like an owner who didn't check for proper torque and try different loads.
 
Thanks for the helpful suggestions, I will follow up on those. If this rifle has “Major Problems” I’m sure Winchester can take care of it.

As for the sarcasm and belittling remarks, I’ve seen your type. Kinyesi.
 
Not knowing which two shots match up, doing an assumptive average, it “appears” that the Remington rifle had a slight edge over the Winchester but only slight - the difference doesn’t jump out at me.
Could be all things as mentioned, also stock fit?, Winchester simply does not like Hornady ammo?, reloads would probably improve both rifles?, etc - if for hunting, all dead deer.
 
Yes, thanks, I’ll reload for this caliber and see what happens. I’m just getting started with hand loads.
 
Thanks for the helpful suggestions, I will follow up on those. If this rifle has “Major Problems” I’m sure Winchester can take care of it.

As for the sarcasm and belittling remarks, I’ve seen your type. Kinyesi.

Who posted sarcasm? Everyone who posted thus far has a good idea of a range of contributing factors... some major, some minor, or rather some more easily fixed than others... and it could be any one thing or a combination.

Fact... you said this is a second hand rifle you bought at a lower price. The first owner may not be a gun guy... thinks "I want a rifle; Winchester's good", buys it, then doesn't know why it doesn't shoot accurately... without finding the issue, he writes it off as having "major problems" and "cuts losses", hence your low price. A beginner or non-hobbyist might go through several rifles that way and develop a negativity on the subject.

If you're a beginner, I've seen your type... everyone who's posted here was one at one time. The learning curve doesn't end. If you're "belittled" by that, I don't know what to tell you.

BTW, what does "kinyesi" mean.
 
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Truth be told the junky 710 and 770 generally are accurate. They are basically a lathe turned receiver with a cutout milled for ejection and feeding. Barrel is pressed in instead of threaded. There isn't much to mess up making the gun from an accuracy standpoint (no torque issues, no irregular mating surfaces). Most I've seen are quite capable of 1 moa or better out of the box after replacing the scope and base. They are still horrible awful erogonmics and function! Nothing makes the bolt smooth. Nothing makes the stock balance or fit worth a darned. When you break the thing, throw it away.

But shooting? Ya I'm not shocked to see one shoot. Wood stocked Winchester 70s on the other hand are beautiful to look at and feel nice to operate. Most don't shoot that well without a ton of tweeking and fussing. Its just the reality of the design and tolerances.

Heck every magazine and tons of books were full of stories about this for decades now. I don't think you can go though a single year of old Field and Stream or Outdoor Life from 1964 to 2000 without at least 1 issue having something about it.(Usually the 70 is the riflemans rifle and all those great things just needs xyzabc, or "settle" for a 700 or some other lowly pea shooter that's already accurate.)
 
For the 770, as I stated.previously they usually are accurate after replacing or at least properly reinstalling the scope base. It's very common for one or more screws in the base or the rings to be loose. The factory base is cheap aluminum. Scope is a non-branded Bushnell Remington buys for probably $5 to $10. You can stick with them but need to disassemble the rings and bases, clean out the screw holes, and reassemble/torque to be sure its all solid. Obviously check stock screws as well, then shoot and likely will be surprised. (It's a moped gun - it'll get you around and might even be fun, just don't let friends see you on it or you never live it down :rofl:)
 
All two shot groups

As in both rifles shot groups, or you fired two shots and called it a group.
I see lots of holes but no groups. The top target has 14 holes, bottom has 8? Not a fair or equal sample. Fire 5 shots at a single target and we can start evaluating groups.
What type of sights or scopes do the rifles have?
 
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