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tarosean thanks for the CZ TS tip, I did realize these come mostly in .40 not in 9mm, and I'm not sure I want to go with .40 and also the large grip of the TS may not be for me, have to get my hands on one. BDS thanks for all that info!
 
PO2Hammer, you said "Shot some sub 5" groups at 50 yards recently." Was this your Kimber 9mm 1911 Target? Have you done any mods to it?
Yes, the Kimber. It needed an extractor and fps, but no other mods. Could have sent it in for warranty repairs, but I like to tinker. The only key to its accuracy seems to be bullet choice. XTP, HAP, and a few others work well. Speer Lawman 124 TMJ is good factory ammo.
 
I noted the comments about polymer frame being not good in a target pistol, but I thought the bigger issue is striker fired vs SD or DA/SA triggers. Walther, CZ, HK, S&W, Sig, Springfield (XD) are all putting out 'accurized' striker fired models, which all seem to get good reviews. Why would Glock NOT do this? I am guessing that if a Glock gets a make over in the form of better trigger, sights, and barrel, it has to approach the accuracy of these other striker fired 9mm's ? ? I'm also guessing that a HK USP 9mm with their drop in match trigger, and better sights, or the Beretta PX4 with their drop in match trigger would be 'better' than any striker fired trigger. Still, an off the shelf factory built 9mm is more to my liking. I did find one 9mm HK Elite for $3k.
 
I noted the comments about polymer frame being not good in a target pistol. . .

It might depend on what is considered a 'target' pistol and what target sport you're thinking of.

You won't find many polymer framed guns at a bullseye match. Perhaps none at all.

But you'll find plenty at other shooting competitions like USPSA and so on.

It depends on the level of accuracy required for the sport. If you want 1" groups at 50 yards, not many polymer framed guns are capable of that, perhaps none. But a 1911 can do that all day if properly built. But a polymer gun can do 1" (or so) groups at 25 yards, though probably not with the regularity of a proper metal framed gun like a 1911.
 
Quite simply, for accurate handgun shooting, weight is beneficial up to a pretty high number. There's no reason to go with polymer if the desire is high levels of accuracy.

Many people have commented that CZ P-09's are exceedingly accurate, though, if polymer is some kind of attraction. And you do at least get a hammer-fired trigger unit, which is nearly always going to be spiff-up-able to something better than a striker can get to in a pistol.
 
P-09, that's a good suggestion, we can find them here for about $880. I have a nice Beretta 92A1 that is fairly accurate. I've thought about tossing $$ at it for match barrel, better sights or red dot, and a little more trigger work. Side by side, the Wather PPQ5 match blew away the Beretta the other night when I pitted them against each other using same ammo. Question, if you grab a Kimber 9mm Target and it doesn't perform as you want, where do you go with it, Barsto barrel, trigger work????
 
I was going to recommend a Canik TP9SFX with a Freedomsmith trigger and a spring change. Put a red dot on it and go to town.

Then I noticed you were from California so the Canik isn't going to be available to you. Have you considered moving to America?
 
we can get the Canik TP9SFX, it just has to be used and sold via a private party to private party transfer. I found one for $450, another for 650 so they are available here.
 
Walther, CZ, HK, S&W, Sig, Springfield (XD) are all putting out 'accurized' striker fired models, which all seem to get good reviews.Why would Glock NOT do this? I am guessing that if a Glock gets a make over in the form of better trigger, sights, and barrel, it has to approach the accuracy of these other striker fired 9mm's ? ?

Or they are selling you a bill of goods? I've never owned a poly Walther so I cannot really comment. Yet have owned or own the others on your list. Right now I have poly's from Glocks, S&W, HK and a SA in the safe. I've yet to find a poly gun yet that doesn't have play in the barrel at lockup. Play is not good for repeatability. I have a few glocks with custom barrels, triggers and sights, yes they are more accurate than the stock versions but nowhere near as accurate as some of my other guns like my 1911's and CZ's.

I pitted them against each other using same ammo.
Not all guns like the same ammo... you have to take a methodical approach to see what a particular gun excels with what type of ammo.
 
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I have a PPQ Match with the blue trigger. It is really nice. Mine likes Magtech 124 a lot!

I also have the USP Expert. It is also a very accurate pistol.

Either pistol can easily do a two inch group at 25 yards, hand held. (Even I did it once with the PPQ) So if that is good enough accuracy for you, then either pistol is a good buy.

If you have a small hand, the PPQ will be better. It is a very comfortable grip and you can change it around with the backstraps. The USP grip is just a rectangle of plastic with highly aggressive "finish". These are very different guns to hold.

The trigger are also very different. The USP expert I have has a pull that feels the same level of resistance all the way through. In other words, the trigger does not seem to build to a breaking point and then break. It is a smooth trigger but has to be shot a bit different from the PPQ.

The USP Expert also seems a bit heavier than the PPQ, though maybe it is just because it is longer. Or maybe that is a psychological reaction. I have not really checked the stats on this.

I think these triggers are quite different from one another, though both good. The guns feel different in the hand too. I find the PPQ fits me better and is less tiring to use.

I am no expert and I am basing this on my pistols, so if I am off the mark about a typical USP trigger I am sure others will chime in.
 
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