jonnyc
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Yes, and a lighter hammer spring also.
My S&W 317
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Yes, and a lighter hammer spring also.
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Iron Sight
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With tax’s and fees a new one in my area is at least $615
That’s ordering through Gallery of Guns.
That’s ordering through Gallery of Guns.
tubeshooter
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In my mind, I think fair pricing would be something like:
$550 Excellent condition
$500 Good condition
$425 Fair condition
Or somewhere thereabouts. I had a gun shop tell me one time they'd give me $500 anytime I wanted, but mine has the steel cylinder. It would take much more than that for me to sell, given all I've been through. Plus I am pleased with the final result.
$550 Excellent condition
$500 Good condition
$425 Fair condition
Or somewhere thereabouts. I had a gun shop tell me one time they'd give me $500 anytime I wanted, but mine has the steel cylinder. It would take much more than that for me to sell, given all I've been through. Plus I am pleased with the final result.
jonnyc
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If I was going to sell mine (and I'm not) I wouldn't go for less than $500.
earlthegoat2
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I’d be asking more than retail if you know what I mean.
the Real Alpo
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Pretty much, more than anyone would be willing to pay. 
jonnyc
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Not sure how, but you're welcome!
22-rimfire
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The finish issue is why I never bought one. I did get the 3" M63 however which I like. But it is no pocket gun in my opinion.
JFrame
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I have a S&W 317 with the 3" barrel. Some years ago, after a range session and some cleaning, I noticed that the finish at the crown and very tip of the muzzle was peeling off.
I contacted S&W's customer support, and I was told to send it back to them for servicing. I was also sternly admonished by the service rep not to use any abrasive cleaner on the firearm. For crying out loud ... I had used a TINY dab of Hoppe's #9 on the muzzle to get rid of some burnt powder residue!
After getting the 317 back from their servicing center, the only thing I've used on it is gun oil.
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I had both models of the 317, but I sold the longer barrel one and I'm sorry I did. I still have the short 1 7/8" barrel 317, but it jams up pretty easily. I sent it back to S&W once and they sent it back with no apparent changes. It jammed up again and I sent it to them again two months ago and asked them to send me a different gun, like their new model 43C slightly heavier .22 revolver, if they can't fix it (but it seems the new model has the same jamming problem).
Here's the big problem now: S&W has had my gun for two months without a word from them, and their customer service never answers the phone. I did once get through to a human there a couple of weeks ago by dialing O. He looked it up and told me it was in their testing dept., or whatever they called it. He said I should be hearing from them within two weeks. He said the customer service phones weren't being answered because they were all backed up post Christmas. Well it's 2 more weeks now and I just called today and hung on for 15 minutes of "please hold on" recordings and elevator music. I then tried the dial O trick again, but the lady just connected me back to the music.
Here's the big problem now: S&W has had my gun for two months without a word from them, and their customer service never answers the phone. I did once get through to a human there a couple of weeks ago by dialing O. He looked it up and told me it was in their testing dept., or whatever they called it. He said I should be hearing from them within two weeks. He said the customer service phones weren't being answered because they were all backed up post Christmas. Well it's 2 more weeks now and I just called today and hung on for 15 minutes of "please hold on" recordings and elevator music. I then tried the dial O trick again, but the lady just connected me back to the music.
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I have a S&W 317 with the 3" barrel. Some years ago, after a range session and some cleaning, I noticed that the finish at the crown and very tip of the muzzle was peeling off.
I contacted S&W's customer support, and I was told to send it back to them for servicing. I was also sternly admonished by the service rep not to use any abrasive cleaner on the firearm. For crying out loud ... I had used a TINY dab of Hoppe's #9 on the muzzle to get rid of some burnt powder residue!
After getting the 317 back from their servicing center, the only thing I've used on it is gun oil.
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Hoppe's #9 is an abrasive cleaner? How can you just use gun oil on it? It gets dirty very quickly. Does gun oil alone clean the residue for you? And how did you do this: "I contacted S&W's customer support"?
JFrame
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This was done years ago, so the logistical process is vague in my mind now. Contact must have been by voice phone, snail mail, or email -- can't remember.
I DO recall that in my initial communication to the CS department, I told them preemptively that all I had ever used on the 317 was Hoppe's #9 -- to make clear to them that I hadn't used anything abrasive or exotic on the gun's surface.
I remember getting a snippy communication back from a S&W contact (which makes me think it was email ...or snail mail?), providing me a return code, but also admonishing me to never use abrasives on the gun. So I'm not sure if the guy was saying that Hoppe's #9 was abrasive, or simply ignoring my assurance that I HADN'T used anything else, and just stating the obvious. I guess it's possible that whoever took my communication passed the issue on, didn't even bother to mention my Hoppe's disclaimer, and the guy who got handed the job thought I had done something no-no.
I do find that gun oil, and diligent (and lengthy) cleaning with the oil and patches -- including a lot of dry (but gentle) rubbing with soft patches -- gets rid of the carbon residue on the crown, inside the barrel, around the forcing cone, and the chambers. I have to note that I don't shoot the crap out of this gun now, either (maybe no more than a hundred rounds at a session, if that), and cleaning thereafter. For all intents, if I WANT to have a long session exclusively with .22 LR, I'll go with my S&W 63 and Contender (for handguns).
Reflecting back many years after the fact, the 317 I got probably just had improperly applied Klearcoting on the crown and muzzle to start, and that any light application of Hoppe's (or some other industry-approved cleaner) would be fine to a properly-finished 317. But I just didn't feel like taking that chance again.
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Years ago S&W used to answer their phones very nicely as I recall, and you could actually speak with people in their service dept. who knew what they were talking about. But that was years ago..
I posted more about my current model 317 problems with them here:
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...swer-the-phone-and-then-it-gets-worse.862415/
I posted more about my current model 317 problems with them here:
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...swer-the-phone-and-then-it-gets-worse.862415/
JFrame
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Hey F1 -- thanks for the link detailing your own experiences!
I sort of scoured through my email archives to see if it was that medium I used for the communication. No dice, although that's not to say I didn't just lose the email.
If it was snail mail, and I happen to stumble upon the paperwork, I'll post to this thread just to establish a time-frame.
I'm guessing it had to be one of those media, because if someone had told me by voice, "Don't use abrasive cleaners," I'm pretty sure I would have said, "Are you saying Hoppe's #9 is an abrasive cleaner???"
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Hey F1 -- thanks for the link detailing your own experiences!
I sort of scoured through my email archives to see if it was that medium I used for the communication. No dice, although that's not to say I didn't just lose the email.
If it was snail mail, and I happen to stumble upon the paperwork, I'll post to this thread just to establish a time-frame.
I'm guessing it had to be one of those media, because if someone had told me by voice, "Don't use abrasive cleaners," I'm pretty sure I would have said, "Are you saying Hoppe's #9 is an abrasive cleaner???"
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Abrasive cleaners, huh? The lady in the quotes dept. said they were charging me because there was something stuck in the barrel. There was nothing stuck in the barrel when I sent it in, said I. The gun jammed but nothing ever jammed in the barrel. It was the cylinders that seized up. Then she said I didn't clean the gun. Oh yes I did. Seems they just make things up now.
JFrame
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ThomasT
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I don't have a 317 but I do have an old flat latch model 34-1 and the chambers are the same way on that gun. CCI ammo will insert in a clean gun with no resistance but Remington Golden Bullets have to be forced in the chambers with a good shove. They measure about .001-.002 bigger than the CCI ammo. But that gun is a for sure shooter. I shot it about 3 months ago and had forgot how much it was like shooting a laser beam. Mine has a 4" barrel and adjustable sights.
243winxb
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Had cheap ammo leave a large ring of lead in my S&W M17. Only looked because accuracy dropped off. Never seen anything like it before or since.
Cleaned it with a lot of brushing. Went back and shot it again , watched the lead ring build up again. It would appear like something stuck in the barrel.
cjwils
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I had a 317 that jammed frequently. Without going into all the details, I am pretty sure that it was problems with the aluminum cylinder. I sent it back to S&W, and they returned it with a new aluminum cylinder. Soon, it was jamming again. I sent it back again, with a nice letter in which I described the problems and begged them to give me a steel cylinder, but they sent it back with another aluminum cylinder. I sold it without waiting for it to start jamming again. I do wish I had one with a steel cylinder, but I don't know where to get a steel cylinder these days. Brownells used to sell them, but they don't now.
I got the bill from S&W today. They are billing me $211 for "replacing damaged barrel, clean, oil and replace springs as needed, and range test."
What was wrong with the barrel? Nothing as far as I know. Of course, as CJWils says on the Model 317 thread linked above, it's the aluminum cylinder that's the problem. That's what jams up. The barrel worked fine when the cylinder wasn't jamming...and so much for S&W's "lifetime warranty". I'll see what the S&W Customer Service Supervisor says if she calls me tomorrow like she said she would, but I can make a pretty good guess right now.
Any suggestions on what to do when a company won't honor its own warranty?
What was wrong with the barrel? Nothing as far as I know. Of course, as CJWils says on the Model 317 thread linked above, it's the aluminum cylinder that's the problem. That's what jams up. The barrel worked fine when the cylinder wasn't jamming...and so much for S&W's "lifetime warranty". I'll see what the S&W Customer Service Supervisor says if she calls me tomorrow like she said she would, but I can make a pretty good guess right now.
Any suggestions on what to do when a company won't honor its own warranty?
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