S&W 41 oiling .22 rf standard velocity for functioning

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I have noticed that many of the people that i shoot bullseye with have problems getting their model 41 S&W and other .22 target guns to function with low velocity ammo. High velocity .22 long rifle rimfire is said to batter the guns with long use so they put a drop of lubricant on the top round of each loaded magazine.
I would think that oiling standard velocity cartridges would also batter the guns as much as does high velocity does. There is one fellow with he says 30,000 plus rounds fired this way through his gun. The surfaces of contact between where the slide contacts the barrel does look battered, but after 30,000 rounds I guess that is to be expected.
Any thoughts or information on this.
At the moment I am using a buffer in mine with a nominally high velocity loading: Federal automatch that in a rifle is supposed to get 1200 fps with unplated bullets and so is around 10% or so faster than standard velocity. normally copper plated HV is said to get 1300 fps. Functioning is normally perfect for me with this loading. I normally get some cartridges of lower charge with lower felt recoil and the gun will not cycle. Likely one or two in several hundred rounds. Definitely not match ammo even if it says automatch on it. When recoil is normal function is 100%. Accuracy is sufficient for my skill level at the moment and I have a lot of this ammo on hand purchased during the last ammo crisis.
Guns with lighter slides for me seem to do well with standard velocity aguila .22 lr.
 
Straight blow back firearms. The wt of the slide, hammer/striker & sear, and resistance of the recoil spring(s) are some of the factors that keep the breech shut during the period of peak pressure. The case also provides some resistance when it is expanded to grip the chamber walls. Oiling the case results in less resistance to the slide going back because you just lubed it and it recoils faster. Putting a lot of oil in any gun's chamber will augment back thrust on the bolt surfaces. Some designs will actually squirt oil into the chamber for some obsolete machine guns to help them function better under adverse conditions. .
There is no question that many .22 rimfires function better when the cartridges are oiled which is why some do it. I do not like doing such things. This is assuming of course that there is not any fine sandy like grit in the chamber.
 
If they are being oiled to let function, odds are they are not getting abused.

All of my ammunition is lubricated. All of it. Handloads to rimfire to factory fodder. Feel some next time you load a magazine. My handloads more so.
I attribute ease of cleaning to it as well.

A firearm made of the quality a Model Fourty One is, will not be beaten or peened from use. Rimfire is only factory loaded. They know what is going to be shot through it.
Thirty thousand rounds is about two thousand dollars worth of ammunition, the cheap stuff. That's a new pistol, scope and holster. I suspect it is still not worn in yet, let alone worn out, certainly not prematurely from oiled cases.

Lubed cases increasing bolt thrust is like a garden hose left on increasing the flooding of the Mississippi.
Magnitudes of difference in both examples.

In a blow-back firearm having the cases lubricated can also lead to more consistent chamber pressure, resulting in more consistant bullet velocities. Increased accuracy for the price of a drop of oil.
 
I had a Smith 41. Sold it because it wasnt reliable after cleaning. Maybe oiling ammo would have helped? Took about 50 rounds fired till it settled down.

Still shoot High Standard and Ruger target pistols. I oil the slide rails, bolt, moving parts and the magazines, never the ammo.

Oiling ammo is new to me. Never seen it done at Bullseye competitions.

Used Rem, Win & CCI standard velocity in the 70 & 80s with no problems.

Standard velocity ammo today is not as good as years ago. Imo.
 
I had a Smith 41. Sold it because it wasnt reliable after cleaning. Maybe oiling ammo would have helped? Took about 50 rounds fired till it settled down.

Still shoot High Standard and Ruger target pistols. I oil the slide rails, bolt, moving parts and the magazines, never the ammo.

Oiling ammo is new to me. Never seen it done at Bullseye competitions.

Used Rem, Win & CCI standard velocity in the 70 & 80s with no problems.

Standard velocity ammo today is not as good as years ago. Imo.
Some of the people that do it with the S&W 41 do compete in our local 2700 matches. The pensacola rifle and pistol club is the only one within several hours driving distance that has the turning target set up to do in our part of the country.
Many claim that the CCI standard velocity is meant to function the 41. I need to give it a try. I was first trying to get rid of the federal automatch that I had on hand first, but was curious about the oiling since several around me during out informal 900 matches do it with non-CCI standard velocity ammo brands.
Some of our group do have those super expensive european guns and shoot eley brand ammo and never heard of them using oil.

the others have a hodgepodge of pistols: rugers, highstandards, newer brownings etc. The cry of alibi is frequent.
 
While I don't shoot in a "real" competition, the guys I shoot with all oil the first round...me as well. I have a 41 from the late 70's/early 80's, after having some issues one of the guys said to oil the top round, these guys are known to be jokesters, so I took it with a grain of salt. Fast forward a couple weeks later, I’m shooting by myself and having issues and figured what the hell…it works like a charm!
 
One the more experience 41 shooters uses a mixture of that banana smelling gun cleaning solvent and some brand of common transmission fluid. Most as just as stated oil the first round with what ever. The cleaning solvent might also help keep the gun cleaner.
 
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