ELEY chooses RMR bullets for their new line of match ammunition

Long known for world record setting rimfire ISSF/Olympic ammunition for decades, ELEY chooses RMR bullets for their "first" new line of centerfire match ammunition - https://www.killoughshootingsports....c/eley-38-super-comp-124-gr-fmj-rn-major.html

Who knew we have been reloading with premium "ELEY match grade" bullets for our plinking rounds.

longdayjake said:

A very well known match ammo MFG is going to use our bullets for production of their match ammo. Our name won't be on the box or anything but we will be allowed to tell people that it's our bullets.

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longdayjake said:

They are launching August 10th ...

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longdayjake said:

Well, I finally have a link! Kind of surprised they didn't advertise it a little harder, but I think they were worried they wouldn't have enough to fill all the orders.

If you guys know anyone looking to purchace .38 Super please share the link. The more of this stuff they sell, the more we can do. Also, not sure if anyone has heard or not, but we have tooling for .40 and .45 FMJ. Now I just need the money and time to put them in a machine!

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"Designed and developed by the world’s most respected sporting ammunition manufacturer, the new competition round promises to be a sure-fire hit amongst practical shooters.

ELEY have called on 190 years of ammunition quality control expertise to deliver and assemble the best components with a specific propellant to provide a safe and effective competition round.

With ELEY Action .38 Super Comp Major, IPSC and USPSA competing athletes can rest assured they have the safest .38 Super Comp Major round on the market. The round delivers reduced recoil for improved sight picture recovery, and its ‘rimless’ case loaded with a Round Nose copper metal jacketed 124grn bullet offer superb reliability magazine stacking and feeding.

ELEY will be showcasing the new round at the European Handgun Championships in Serbia this September as well as the ELEY ammunition Area 59 championship in November."

ELEY said:

ELEY have called on 190 years of ammunition quality control expertise to deliver and assemble the best components with a specific propellant to provide ... effective competition round.

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Could "best components" indicate ELEY tested other "match grade" bullets and chose RMR bullets because they were more consistent and produced smaller groups?

ELEY has been preferred ammunition of choice of world record setting top match shooters of ISSF and Olympics due to their class leading accuracy of their match ammunition - https://www.ssusa.org/articles/2019...for-top-issf-world-cup-rifle-pistol-shooters/


Here is Guns America Digest article detailing the virtues of accuracy from consistency of RMR 124 gr JHP MPR - https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/...EGsu3J1xLvk86kfwopr2zmXyU2jlAL_2Ij3-hskEk4PtI

I tell you, it's the boring retirement.

Thank you. Just helping out our home grown member longdayjake and celebrating good news as he has worked very hard to earn being selected by ELEY to be "best components" bullet supplier.

Dudedog said:

Interesting that Eley is using the RN, both the MPRs and MWs shot better for me but then I don't have a slick .38 Super open gun.

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Likely for reliable feeding/chambering as match barrels tend to have tighter chambers. Atlanta Arms who manufactures match ammunition for various match teams, including US Army AMU, makes their Elite match ammunition with FMJ/RN bullets.

ELEY said:

... Round Nose copper metal jacketed 124 grn bullet offer superb reliability magazine ... and feeding.

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Blue68f100 said:

Good to hear RMR is getting the recognition they deserve on the big stage. I've used Eley in the past for 22LR ammo. Very Very consistent. Hopefully it will be the start of others big names jumping on the ban wagon

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Once the word spreads that ELEY chose to use RMR for their match ammunition, other ammunition manufacturers could switch to RMR.

Yes, definitely happy for RMR being rewarded for their hard work in making consistent bullets. But I tell you, while I anticipated ammunition manufacturers to start using RMR bullets but when I found out ELEY chose RMR, I was surprised.

As to my retirement, my wife has been keeping me more active than I anticipated or wanted. (I guess she wants me around a few more years )

bds said:

Could "best components" indicate ELEY tested other "match grade" bullets and chose RMR bullets because they were more consistent and produced smaller groups?

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The reason why ELEY chose RMR bullets to be the "best components" could be better explained by what Guns America Digest found during their testing - https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/rmr-9mm-124-jhp-mpr-review/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=20190708_BlogDigest_336&utm_campaign=/digest/rmr-9mm-124-jhp-mpr-review/&fbclid=IwAR0px_E2pxIBTpEGsu3J1xLvk86kfwopr2zmXyU2jlAL_2Ij3-hskEk4PtI


Here is summary of what they found:

• ... randomly selected 20 bullets of the thousand round package. The bullet proved to be very consistent with every one of the 20 bullets measuring .3555 exact in diameter. And with this consistency, it typically means that one of the most important control measures has been met. Not all bullet manufacturers maintain this degree of consistency.

• The problem with bullets that aren’t consistent in diameter is that the rifling in your barrel does not contact the bullet consistently with the same amount of engagement into the jacket and seal during combustion to provide equal pressure for each round. This can lead to a wobble or tumble of a bullet, and also not maintain minimal standard deviation‘s in velocity.

• The reason you want a very minimal spread on bullet-to-bullet weight is because if you keep all variables as close as possible when reloading you limit the margin of error that occurs on every shot ... On my scale, I weighed the 20 bullets. Four bullets weighed 123.9 grains, three bullets weighed 124.0, nine bullets weighed 124.1, and 3 bullets weighed 124.2. That is a spread of .3 of a grain overall. Better than acceptable as far as I am concerned. [Most jacketed bullets I have used in past decades showed around 1.0 gr weight variance. RMR bullets showed less than 0.5 gr weight variance which is better than many "match grade" bullets ].

• Remember you are shooting a projectile that weighs just over 120 grains traveling over 1,300 feet per second. You are dealing on a micro, not macro scale. When you are trying to obtain superior accuracy, you must keep the parameters constant or it will negatively influence accuracy. Again, working on a micro scale, if each bullet has a 2 to 5-grain difference then the balance of the bullet and the actual flight trajectory will be influenced differently per shot. It might not be a large difference but when you are trying for pure accuracy you can see the difference on the target.

• The actual load is: RMR’s 9mm (.3555) 124-grain bullet seated in a Starline 38 Super Comp case with CCI small pistol primers and fueled by Hodgdon CFE Pistol. The average velocity is 1390 ft./s across my Chrono. Overall length is 1.235 with a .378 crimp (.378 is a .002 crimp on a .355 with a Super Comp case). [For decades, since case wall thickness averages .011"+, I have been adding .022" to the diameter of the bullet and for .3555" sized RMR bullets, I use .378" taper crimp which returns the flare back flat on the bullet and very slightly more]

• RMR 9mm 124 JHP’s produced exceptional results [Sub 1" groups].

Jake, just glad to see our home grown THR member do well.

For those who are not familiar, Rocky Mountain Reloading is truly a "mom and pop" American success story.

Jake started out selling bulk/closeout/surplus/blemished bullets while attending college. During the last few component shortages, Jake (along with other vendors) got frustrated over unreliable (or lack of, many times) supply of reloading components. So one day (Oh believe me, I remember the frustration of many, especially Jake), I think Jake got "pissed off" enough that he decided to make his own bullets so he didn't have to rely on unreliable supply of reloading components.

A trip down memory lanes - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-first-to-die-because-of-the-election.404525/

longdayjake said:

I have been selling bullets for some time now and I even went the extra step to ligitimize my business through the state. I was doing fairly well until the election. Suddenly all of my bullets sold out in one day and my suppliers won't even return my emails or calls because they are waiting for prices to go up even more. So, here I am with bills to pay and no way to make any money because I can get no stock. Luckily I work a full time job somewhere else in the evenings, but what about others in my situation?

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And I convinced Jake to give THR 5% discount (Thanks Jake for continuing to offer the discount all these years) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...r-members-at-rocky-mountain-reloading.759774/

I remember THR members celebrating his very first bullet manufacturing machines and how proud (and scared) Jake was of his decision to start something new. I kept sending Jake PMs that he is doing fine and to just focus on providing quality products at great prices with excellent customer service and he would succeed.

This is from one of many PMs we exchanged during this time

longdayjake said:

(3/8/15) You know ... I much prefer to be able to meet the demand of my customers and offer the kind of service that has made us so successful. I guess my own personal world view and goal in life is to never get so much money that it becomes more important than the people we serve and the people who work for me.

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And as many THR members and customers have found, Jake/RMR has continued to provide quality products at great prices with excellent customer service.

ELEY choosing RMR bullets for their new line of match ammunition is proof of his hard work to make his jacketed bullets more and more consistent (Even though he sells them at unbelievably low competitive prices often for less than many jacketed/plated/coated lead bullets).

"ELEY match grade" RMR bullets ... Great job Jake. Keep up the good work.

It was Bill Drummond who did the testing for Guns America Digest with RMR 124 gr JHP (MPR) and below are his groups - https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/rmr-9mm-124-jhp-mpr-review/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=20190708_BlogDigest_336&utm_campaign=/digest/rmr-9mm-124-jhp-mpr-review/&fbclid=IwAR0px_E2pxIBTpEGsu3J1xLvk86kfwopr2zmXyU2jlAL_2Ij3-hskEk4PtI

"As we can see the RMR 9mm 124 JHP’s produced exceptional results. I have tested many different bullets out of my Infinity so I know what my gun is capable of. This company from Idaho has outdone themselves. To create a bullet that has such consistency and at a price like this is commendable.

Now some people will say that it’s a pistol and it doesn’t matter or that exceptional accuracy like that is really never needed. I could not disagree with them more ... Reloading is based on knowledge and experience. And if you use the provided resources properly there is no reason that your end product cannot be match grade. I have had matches that have come down to the wire. I have had matches that I lost by just a few points on 1,400 + point matches. If I had scored just a few points better on ONE of the 100+ targets we shoot, I would have been the winner."

Team Infinity IMM Open Gun with a Cmore RTS2-6 minute red dot - RMR’s 9mm 124 gr JHP (MPR), Starline 38 Super Comp case, CCI small pistol primers, CFE Pistol. Average velocity 1390 fps. Overall length 1.235" with .378" crimp. 22 yards.

George P said:

Since Eley is owned by Remington, I am surprised they didn't use their own bullets................

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Eley is not owned by Remington.

In 1928, ELEY was acquired by Nobel Industries then merged to form Imperial Chemical Industries. Then in 2014, acquired by LDC (private equity arm of Lloyds Banking Group) and became an independent company, owned by its management - https://www.all4shooters.com/en/shooting/ammunition/eley-ammunition-acquired-by-ldc/

In 2015, Remington Arms became part of the Freedom Group (owned by Cerberus Capital Management) which was renamed as Remington Outdoor Company but filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. In 2018, Remington exited bankruptcy - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remington_Arms

Like how Norma, Geco and RWS are made by RUAG Ammotec, it seems Remington pays ELEY to put their name on the box (But I guess ELEY still wants everyone to know that it's their ammo ) - https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1032266

I think it's because Remington can't produce ELEY level of quality ammunition for 22LR and ELEY may want the more recognizable "Remington" name for USA customers so selling ELEY product with Remington name is a win-win collaboration for both.

But inside those boxes are ELEY ammunition, not Remington.