The US is not in a bubble

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Many anti gun people would have people believe that the school shootings that occur here in the US occur nowhere else because we alone have 2A. That they occur with horrific frequency.
Truthfully, according to ABC News detailing the 11 school shootings (does not include shootings like Vegas or WalMart) that happened since Columbine, in 2018, the last fully completed calendar year there were two shootings, and one was by a 17 year old shooter and the other was MSD in Florida.

Then I ran across this bit of information about shootings around the world. We, contrary to their position, are not alone in the world.

https://www.infoplease.com/history/world/timeline-of-worldwide-school-and-mass-shootings

Was a bit eye opening for me, I was unaware of many overseas, probably didn't make the news as it runs counter to the official line.
 
FlSwampRat said:
Many anti gun people would have people believe that the school shootings that occur here in the US occur nowhere else because we alone have 2A. That they occur with horrific frequency.
Truthfully, according to ABC News detailing the 11 school shootings (does not include shootings like Vegas or WalMart) that happened since Columbine, in 2018, the last fully completed calendar year there were two shootings, and one was by a 17 year old shooter and the other was MSD in Florida.

Then I ran across this bit of information about shootings around the world. We, contrary to their position, are not alone in the world.

https://www.infoplease.com/history/world/timeline-of-worldwide-school-and-mass-shootings

Was a bit eye opening for me, I was unaware of many overseas, probably didn't make the news as it runs counter to the official line.
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As I scrolled through the list, I noticed a lot of Florida, California, and Colorado cities. There must be something broken.
 
Speedo66 said:
You probably remember the incident in 2011, where a mass shooter in Norway was unfortunately able to kill 77, many of them children. He first started an action, an explosion, on the mainland, and while police attention was focused there, he then attacked a children's camp on an island.
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I remember that. It was just about this time of year too. Terrible
 
Sistema1927 said:
The OP will need to define MSD, but ANFO is Ammonia Nitrate Fuel Oil, the type of bomb used in Oklahoma City, a mixture of common fertilizer and oil.
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MSD is Marjorie Stoneman Douglas school where there were 17 students killed on Valentine's Day in 2018. I don't believe I mentioned ANFO at all, as, until you defined it here, I had no idea what that is/was.
 
John Lott destroyed his own reputation and handed the antis a victory they could only dream about.

Integrity and character always matter, and that is magnified in academia.

What he did had very little to do with his work, but it tainted his work in such a way that to bring up his work is a step backwards. "John Lott" has become the Godwin of guns. His work can only be used among those who already shoot; as soon as an academic who hasn't heard of him finds out what he did, him, his work and anything connected with him will be rejected.

He did more harm to us than any four senators.
 
Jammersix said:
John Lott destroyed his own reputation and handed the antis a victory they could only dream about.

Integrity and character always matter, and that is magnified in academia.

What he did had very little to do with his work, but it tainted his work in such a way that to bring up his work is a step backwards. "John Lott" has become the Godwin of guns. His work can only be used among those who already shoot; as soon as an academic who hasn't heard of him finds out what he did, him, his work and anything connected with him will be rejected.

He did more harm to us than any four senators.
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Now I’m curious. Link?
 
Jammersix said:
John Lott destroyed his own reputation and handed the antis a victory they could only dream about.

Integrity and character always matter, and that is magnified in academia.

What he did had very little to do with his work, but it tainted his work in such a way that to bring up his work is a step backwards. "John Lott" has become the Godwin of guns. His work can only be used among those who already shoot; as soon as an academic who hasn't heard of him finds out what he did, him, his work and anything connected with him will be rejected.

He did more harm to us than any four senators.
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If what is written about him on Wikkipedia is accurate, he brought his work, methodology, personal and professional integrity all into question . He has as much intellectual credibility about firearms and their use as Al Gore has about the global environment.

Too bad. I don't believe it had to be that way. Too late now....:(
 
Speedo66:

You might know that Norway still allows semi-automatic Mini 14 rifles, AR-15s (!), and handguns at club ranges.

YouTube "Katherina Vikor Mini 14", " " " Ruger SR9C". The process of acquiring them now (after the mass tragedy) might be more difficult.
 
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Jammersix said:
Here you go. This link lays out the basics of the claims against him. The argument rages.

What we need is studies conducted by folks without the controversy

https://www.armedwithreason.com/shooting-down-the-gun-lobbys-favorite-academic-a-lott-of-lies/
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Thanks for the link.

I'm not sure I buy the claim. Other studies by govt. agencies tend to support Lott's conclusions, perhaps not the exact numbers. I've heard estimates of defensive uses of guns of about 500,000 a year up to 1,000,000. I've heard one saying 2,000,000, which I find not quite as believable , and I was unable to find any other that agreed with it.
Professor Gary Kleck of the University of Florida started out as an antigunner and did a pretty thorough study to prove his theories, and found the facts supported the opposite; that firearms defensive uses by honest people greatly outnumbered criminal shootjngs. He was honest enough to publish what actually found to be true, rather than twist the facts to maintain what he realized was a flawed theory.

I've heard some assaults on John Lott before. I don't know what to make of them. I do know antigun organizations have come out with contradictory studies and some conclusions they have drawn are debated, and some debunked.
 
The linked study does cast doubt but one study does not prove conclusively. I wonder if there is rebuttal documentation?
 
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