Limitation on additional GC bills

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In the current environment we may be looking at universal background checks. We know its a feel good for anti-gunners. My question is if we conceded a UBC bill AND added a stipulation that if passed, the Fed could not add any new gun control bills for 25 years(or X), has anything of that nature been done in the past or is it even enforceable legally? I think that would really test their willpower on the subject.
 
Not Enforceable unless it is a constitutional amendment, anything Congress passes and a president signs can be undone with the same process.
 
In the current environment we may be looking at universal background checks. We know its a feel good for anti-gunners. My question is if we conceded a UBC bill AND added a stipulation that if passed, the Fed could not add any new gun control bills for 25 years(or X), has anything of that nature been done in the past or is it even enforceable legally? I think that would really test their willpower on the subject.

"They" do not care about what gun owners feel or want. "They are not going to add an such thing to what they have planned.
Gun owners can not "conceded" to anything legislation proposed
 
I have a problem with the UBC's. once it gets passed. and a year or so goes by. They will say it is not working because nothing is registered. Then they will claim we need registration. then fighting with that for a while. They will find out that does not work either. Then they will go to the next step. Then the step after that. Till we like the UK. Where we need permits for steak knives. Never ever settle! They will never stop! Keep fighting!
 
...if we conceded a UBC bill AND added a stipulation that if passed, the Fed could not add any new gun control bills for 25 years(or X), has anything of that nature been done in the past or is it even enforceable legally?...

I'm closing this, perhaps early, to head off wasting our time chasing unicorns. The bottom line is that this concept can't go anywhere.

As outlined not long ago by the Supreme Court (U.S. v. Winstar Corp., 518 U.S. 839, 116 S.Ct. 2432, 135 L.Ed.2d 964 (1996)):
...In his Commentaries, Blackstone stated the centuries-old concept that one legislature may not bind the legislative authority of its successors:

"Acts of parliament derogatory from the power of subsequent parliaments bind not. . . . Because the legislature, being in truth the sovereign power, is always of equal, always of absolute authority: it acknowledges no superior upon earth, which the prior legislature must have been, if it's [sic] ordinances could bind the present parliament." 1 W. Blackstone, Commentaries on the Laws of England 90 (1765).

In England, of course, Parliament was historically supreme in the sense that no "higher law" limited the scope of legislative action or provided mechanisms for placing legally enforceable limits upon it in specific instances; the power of American legislative bodies, by contrast, is subject to the overriding dictates of the Constitution and the obligations that it authorizes. See Eule, Temporal Limits on the Legislative Mandate: Entrenchment and Retroactivity, 1987 Am. Bar Found. Research J. 379, 392-393 (observing that the English rationale for precluding a legislature from binding its successors does not apply in America). Hence, although we have recognized that "a general law . . . may be repealed, amended or disregarded by the legislature which enacted it," and "is not binding upon any subsequent legislature," Manigault v. Springs, 199 U. S. 473, 487 (1905), 19 on this side of the Atlantic the principle has always lived in some tension with the constitutionally created potential for a legislature, under certain circumstances, to place effective limits on its successors, or to authorize executive action resulting in such a limitation.

The development of this latter, American doctrine in federal litigation began in cases applying limits on state sovereignty imposed by the National Constitution. Thus Chief Justice Marshall's exposition in Fletcher v. Peck, 6 Cranch 87 (1810), where the Court held that the Contract Clause, U. S. Const., Art. I, Section(s) 10, cl. 1, barred the State of Georgia's effort to rescind land grants made by a prior state legislature. Marshall acknowledged "that one legislature is competent to repeal any act which a former legislature was competent to pass; and that one legislature cannot abridge the powers of a succeeding legislature." Id., at 135. "The correctness of this principle, so far as respects general legislation," he said, "can never be controverted."...

Let's try to stay focused on legislative strategies that have some chance of success.
 
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