Stock up.

A couple of times over the past three years Target Sports had premium defensive JHP ammo in 40 S&W for $14/50. You can't not buy a case at those prices, so as funds allowed I ended up with three cases. That's not panic buying, that's taking advantage of a super bargain. Somebody will eventually shoot up all of that ammo even if it isn't me.

Buying magazines is a gamble if they don't grandfather them. I bought a few extra 15 round 9mm mags for my carry pistol. I figure they are good to have anyway and won't break the bank if they become illegal---but I am squawking as loud was I can at McConnell that he shouldn't support an AWB. I'm hoping this is just a stalling tactic on his part until people cool down.

shafter said:

While part of me says it would be really wise to stock up now while everything is abundant and cheap, the other part of me says that in the not too distant future a lot of us might be sitting on inventory that we won't be able to legally use. It's a tough call to make given the current state of things.

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Obviously I am no more prescient than anyone else here, but I don't think it's unreasonable to think that if there is a ban, it will be "assault" weapons first. But ammo for the most common rifle calibers can also be used in many other non scary guns, so it will probably still be legal to use.

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Obviously I am no more prescient than anyone else here, but I don't think it's unreasonable to think that if there is a ban, it will be "assault" weapons first. But ammo for the most common rifle calibers can also be used in many other non scary guns, so it will probably still be legal to use.

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Ammo control is more effective form of gun control. Firearm w/o ammo just makes unique paperweight.

Now that you bring it up retirement happens tomorrow, move out of NY to PA happens Friday, stocking up happens the following week after i get settled in. Golf is not in future!!!!!

tbs said:

Now that you bring it up retirement happens tomorrow, move out of NY to PA happens Friday, stocking up happens the following week after i get settled in. Golf is not in future!!!!!

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When my dad retired as well as many friends it was golf. Me? It was the range.

Ron

Went to Bass Pro to stock up on some primers today, took a shot and asked if they offered a military discount. They did, how nice. 5% off isn't a fortune, but I feel it's better in my pocket.

Came to $33.34 out the door for a brick of 1000 CCI SP. Not great, but better than hazmat shipping or gun show entrance fees added I guess.

I was doing some electrical work down in the crawlspace of an older gentleman's home, he was probably getting close to 80 and I definitely got the retired state police vibe from him. He had many 1000rd cases of 5.56, 9mm and he oddly had about a truckload of 30-06. I remember thinking the old man had set himself up better than me and that I'd better get crackin....

Palolosj said:

Ammo control is more effective form of gun control.

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I disagree. Ammo is not serialized, is ubiquitous, and can be produced (reloaded) at home. It would be impossible to enforce an ammo ban.

AlexanderA said:

I disagree. Ammo is not serialized, is ubiquitous, and can be produced (reloaded) at home. It would be impossible to enforce an ammo ban.

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Give them time. Did you hear the "good news"? The "High Priest of Gun Control Inc." in US Senate proposed regulation of body armor.
Prices are low so it's good time to buy some ammo.

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Palolosj said:

Ammo control is more effective form of gun control. Firearm w/o ammo just makes unique paperweight.

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I disagree. Ammo is not serialized, is ubiquitous, and can be produced (reloaded) at home. It would be impossible to enforce an ammo ban.

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Regulation of ammunition has already started. You guys don't know about CA's new ammunition regulation law that went into effect in 2019? Where have you been? https://www.desertsun.com/story/new...te-department-of-justice-firearms/1578370001/

Make no mistake, the anti-gun/2A crowd declared war on guns and everything gun related is fair game to them, including ammunition.

Keep voting in pro-gun/2A law makers to your city/county/state governments or you will end up like California.

And vote wisely in 2020 to protect your gun rights and the Second Amendment's judicial future for us, our children and our grandchildren.

"The Safety for All Act, the ballot measure passed in 2016, added several new regulations to gun and ammunition statutes:

• Ammunition purchasers in California must undergo a background check
• Ammunition sales are to be made through a licensed vendor and reported to the Department of Justice
• Sellers must report any lost or stolen ammunition within 48 hours
• The California Department of Justice must report individuals prohibited from owning guns to federal law enforcement if they try to make an illegal purchase
• Owning large-capacity magazines is prohibited (Being challenged in 9th Circuit Court as we speak as Judge Benitez ruled against it)
• Sellers who don't comply face criminal charges or a $1,000 fine"

bds said:

Regulation of ammunition has already started. You guys don't know about CA's new ammunition regulation law that went into effect in 2019? Where have you been? https://www.desertsun.com/story/new...te-department-of-justice-firearms/1578370001/

Make no mistake, the anti-gun/2A crowd declared war on guns and everything gun related is fair game to them, including ammunition.

Keep voting in pro-gun/2A law makers to your city/county/state governments or you will end up like California.

And vote wisely in 2020 to protect your gun rights and the Second Amendment's judicial future for us, our children and our grandchildren.

"The Safety for All Act, the ballot measure passed in 2016, added several new regulations to gun and ammunition statutes:

• Ammunition purchasers in California must undergo a background check
• Ammunition sales are to be made through a licensed vendor and reported to the Department of Justice
• Sellers must report any lost or stolen ammunition within 48 hours
• The California Department of Justice must report individuals prohibited from owning guns to federal law enforcement if they try to make an illegal purchase
• Owning large-capacity magazines is prohibited (Being challenged in 9th Circuit Court as we speak as Judge Benitez ruled against it)
• Sellers who don't comply face criminal charges or a $1,000 fine"

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Right because that's not infringement. This stuff makes me sweat honestly. I live in a state where I thought we were insulated from all this gun grabbing nonsense but Mr. Scott's colors turned and we got a big healthy serving of infringements ourselves.

Yes, time to stockpile and try not to lose our stock in one of those pesky boating accidents....

Palolosj said:

Ammo control is more effective form of gun control. Firearm w/o ammo just makes unique paperweight.

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AlexanderA said:

I disagree. Ammo is not serialized, is ubiquitous, and can be produced (reloaded) at home. It would be impossible to enforce an ammo ban.

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What do you think is happening in California by the State requiring all ammunition sales must be through a FFL dealer?

Their strategy is simple and if it continues will be very effective in stopping ammunition from being sold in the State. Now that ammunition can only be legally purchased through a FFL dealer the next step is to simply reduce the number of FFL dealers in the State.

One of the easy steps the State can take is to inspect the physical business location of the dealer to make sure they are in compliance with all zoning and other laws. The businesses that are not are reported to the BATFE to have their FFL revoked.

The second easy step is to amend / pass stricter laws that require the FFL dealer to comply with. Building codes such as requiring bars on all doors and windows, 24 / 7 camera surveillance, 24 / 7 alarm monitoring, safe storage requirement of firearms when the business is closed (such as safe or gun vault), requiring ammunition be kept behind the counter where the public can not reach it.

Inspections by the Fire Department are another easy step. These steps will be targeted towards putting "kitchen table" dealers and dealers who have been in the same building for many years and the cost of improving certain things such as the wiring, amount of storage space in the back room, etc. is too much to justify staying in business.

Of course taxes on guns and ammunition will need to be raised to pay for the additional staff to conduct these inspections.

Since you think reloading will make a ammo ban impossible it isn't. First ban sale of all reloading equipment, powder, primers, bullets, etc. Second ban Internet sales of same items. These two steps will cause reputable out-of-state businesses to quit selling and sending those items to that State. People / businesses that break the law by selling and shipping these items will be running the risk of arrest by Federal Law Enforcement. Since it is no longer possible to by reloading supplies folks that reload will be faced with the reality that when they run out of powder, primers and bullets they can no longer shoot.

It will take a few years to accomplish these goals but reaching the long term objective is possible.

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This stuff makes me sweat honestly. I live in a state where I thought we were insulated from all this gun grabbing nonsense

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The way I see it, we are at FULL BLOWN WAR with the anti-gun/2A crowd and there is no more "safe state" as things can change in a blink of an eye of an election.

So set aside your various agendas and wish list and if you want to protect and preserve the gun-rights/2A for the future of this beautiful country, VOTE WISELY in 2020 to secure the judicial future and keep voting in pro-gun/2A law makers to turn things around for the country.

Time to go to WAR ... and to win the battles for gun rights/2A, set aside your other agenda/wish list priorities and make decisions that will positively affect to protect and preserve our gun rights and the Second Amendment.

If we fail to act, what will you say to your children and grandchildren when they ask you, "Why didn't you do something when you could to stop this?"

VOTE WISELY in 2020.

"The California Department of Justice must report individuals prohibited from owning guns to federal law enforcement if they try to make an illegal purchase."

Does CA really expect the Feds to go after someone who violates CA law re: background check? The Feds rarely follow up on violators to their own background check.

I have a little bit of ammo on hand. I have 16,000 rounds of 5.56 and just picked up another 1,000 rounds today. Not trying to stock up, just got a good deal.
I could stop buying gun related stuff for a few year and still have a good supply of the things I need.

AlexanderA said:

I disagree. Ammo is not serialized, is ubiquitous, and can be produced (reloaded) at home. It would be impossible to enforce an ammo ban.

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You may want to consider states like NY or NYC and a few other states. Criminal Possession of Ammunition and we can be talking as little as a single round. I was NYC born and raised during better times but when my wife and I head back once a year for a party on the beach with old friends I make sure I "sanitize" my truck. Get into an accident and just let a single round get observed and there are major problems. Then we have some states which have a ban on specific bullets. Fortunately none of this nonsense effects me but all of that can change real fast.

Ron

In regard to stocking up, particularly in regard to "assault weapons," it might be wise to bone up on the current thinking of the gun-banners.

The two leading AWB bills, that have been introduced in the House, are H.R. 1296, by David Cicilline https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/1296/text

and H.R 1263, by Ted Deutch https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/1263/text

Both of these bills would grandfather existing weapons. Interestingly, the Deutch bill would add them to the National Firearms Act as a separate category.

By stocking up now, if something like this passes (and it won't this year or next, but it might in 2021), you are likely to have a huge financial windfall.

Well the Orschelin Farm and Home down in Lawrence had the Aquila on clearance at 2.25 per box so got a brick and a bag of cat food.
It's also OF discount day so that was %5 off too.

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"Does CA really expect the Feds to go after someone who violates CA law re: background check? The Feds rarely follow up on violators to their own background check.

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Maybe, if the violator wasn't in a "fire arm sanctuary city"...

Growing up on the farm my father always had plenty of ammo. With two older brothers and my father in me we hunted all the time. So as I grew up, buying in bulk so to speak was what I'd learned. The last panic, I didn't even have to run out and purchase anything. In fact a lot of my friends would come to me 4 shells for their kids. Mainly 22, I had plenty and was willing to share. It's kind of funny they tried to pay me exorbitant prices with all I would ask for is what I paid for them, about 15 a bulk box and lo and behold the price has returned to about $15 a box. All those people that didn't have ammo, won't have it again next time either, but I will have it

My earlier advice to stock up on things like AR-15's was based on the Democrats' introduced AWB bills, H.R. 1263 and H.R. 1296. However, more and more of the Democrats are now saying they want no grandfathering and "mandatory buybacks" (i.e., confiscation). This calls the hoarding strategy into question. Things may descend into chaos very quickly. You don't want to be left holding the short end of the stick, so to speak.

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Democrats are now saying they want no grandfathering and "mandatory buybacks" (i.e., confiscation). This calls the hoarding strategy into question. Things may descend into chaos very quickly. You don't want to be left holding the short end of the stick, so to speak.

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Or we can pressure law makers and vote in more pro-gun/2A law makers to write/implement "constitutionally conforming" gun right laws.

Pressure on politicians cuts both ways.

Besides, we are starting to win the legal battle and overturning anti-gun/2A laws on "unconstitutional" basis and if/when SCOTUS rules in favor of gun rights/2A, law makers won't have a choice but to comply - https://crpa.org/wp-content/uploads/October-2018-CRPA-Legal-Affairs.pdf

To me, all these foaming at the mouth and ape "crap" craziness of the anti-gun law makers are putting bullseye on their foreheads to be voted out by gun owners in future elections and bringing gun owners together to form stronger and stronger collective with common concern.

And believe me, we have just begun. I believe gun owners have been quiet for some time but with this gun confiscation/ban war, they won't stay quiet or inactive no more. Wait until you see the full fury of gun owner collective and their financial might.

So this "ALL OUT WAR" on gun owners, IMO, is ACTUALLY HELPING THE PRO-GUN/2A CAUSE.

Bring it.

As to OP, I am buying more guns and gun related equipment and accessories than ever before. Prices are lowest in years/decades and plenty in stock. BUY BUY BUY.

LiveLife said:

And believe me, we have just begun. I believe gun owners have been quiet for some time but with this gun confiscation/ban war, they won't stay quiet or inactive no more. Wait until you see the full fury of gun owner collective and their financial might.

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You are looking at this optimistically. I hope you are right, but the truth is that gun owners are a diminishing minority. Especially activist gun owners. Most gun owners have a .22, a shotgun, or a pistol for home defense. They're not involved in this the way most of us here are.

Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.

I suggest the majority of you not stock up and just go ahead and sell everything as many of you sound like defeatist. How about just saying no! I’d say if the gov or any Democrat thinks they are going to come take peoples property that was legally bought and invested in without a fight from people, especially where in from, then they got another thing coming. I know guys with collections bordering $1mil. They aren’t just going to let that go because some idiot politicians decided they can no longer have it. They keep playing around then this is going to turn into Prohibition-era. Ask them how well that worked out for them, or the war on drugs etc. come on guys, if you all don’t man up then the 2A is most assuredly gone. Wait, here it comes, someone will say the military will come round them all up. Laughable as always.