Ivanka Trump Calling Congressional Members About Gun Control

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I had to pick up my teenage son from work, but I'm back. You can stop patting yourself on the back from my lack of response. To respond to your 15 post on this page alone as I stated, Obama passed no meaningful legislation other than E/O. "Nothing was passed", and as far as I could remember, nothing was banned. Obama only attempt to pass an AWB after Sandy Hook, but that failed with strong Republican support. Everything Obama did wasn't really perminate, and as you pointed out, could just as easily been undone by any future Republican President.

Currently, with the support of Democrats, Trump has publicly criticised the NRA. He was beneficial in the banning of bump stocks, and criticized the Obama administration for it's approval in the first place. He has just recently reportedly asked tbe ATF to "look into pistol braces" in the same manner that he asked them to look at bumb stocks. He has publicly stated that he wanted to takr guns away without due process. He supports UBC which in turn will be de facto gun registration. He supports Red Flag laws, and all the issues that come with it. We're in a worse spot now then we were under Obama because with Trump's help, these measures can accually be passed.

I don't care about quotes that you've posted where Trump claims he doesn't want ti change gun laws when recently and in the pasted on several occasions, he's stated and pushed for the exact opposite...

The guy is litterally on CNN, MSNBC, etc sitting next to Feinstein, Schumer, and other antigun Democrats using their rhetoric, saying Republicans are scared of the NRA, and that we need more gun control. If voters foreseen this, the man wouldn't have been elected let alone have been the nominee.
 
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I had to pick up my teenage son from work, but I'm back. You can stop patting yourself on the back from my lack of response. To respond to your 15 post on this page alone as I stated, Obama passed no meaningful legislation other than E/O. "Nothing was passed", and as far as I could remember, nothing was banned. Obama only attempt to pass an AWB after Sandy Hook, but that failed with strong Republican support. Everything Obama did wasn't really perminate, and as you pointed out, could just as easily been undone by any future Republican President..

FAST AND FURIOUS
 
I had to pick up my teenage son from work, but I'm back. You can stop patting yourself on the back from my lack of response. To respond to your 15 post on this page alone as I stated, Obama passed no meaningful legislation other than E/O. "Nothing was passed", and as far as I could remember, nothing was banned. Obama only attempt to pass an AWB after Sandy Hook, but that failed with strong Republican support. Everything Obama did wasn't really perminate, and as you pointed out, could just as easily been undone by any future Republican President.

Currently, with the support of Democrats, Trump has publicly criticised the NRA. He was beneficial in the banning of bump stocks, and criticized the Obama administration for it's approval in the first place. He has just recently reportedly asked tbe ATF to "look into pistol braces" in the same manner that he asked them to look at bumb stocks. He has publicly stated that he wanted to takr guns away without due process. He supports UBC which in turn will be de facto gun registration. He supports Red Flag laws, and all the issues that come with it. We're in a worse spot now then we were under Obama because with Trump's help, these measures can accually be passed.

I don't care about quotes that you've posted where Trump claims he doesn't want ti change gun laws when recently and in the pasted on several occasions, he's stated and pushed for the exact opposite...

Annd there's Obama's UN Gun treaty:
https://www.newsmax.com/FastFeatures/un-guns-treaty-changes/2015/01/25/id/620223/

President Obama’s 2015 Executive Actions on Gun Control
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http://www.ncsl.org/research/civil-and-criminal-justice/summary-president-obama-gun-proposals.aspx

 
I had to pick up my teenage son from work, but I'm back. You can stop patting yourself on the back from my lack of response. To respond to your 15 post on this page alone as I stated, Obama passed no meaningful legislation other than E/O. "Nothing was passed", and as far as I could remember, nothing was banned. Obama only attempt to pass an AWB after Sandy Hook, but that failed with strong Republican support. Everything Obama did wasn't really perminate, and as you pointed out, could just as easily been undone by any future Republican President.

Currently, with the support of Democrats, Trump has publicly criticised the NRA. He was beneficial in the banning of bump stocks, and criticized the Obama administration for it's approval in the first place. He has just recently reportedly asked tbe ATF to "look into pistol braces" in the same manner that he asked them to look at bumb stocks. He has publicly stated that he wanted to takr guns away without due process. He supports UBC which in turn will be de facto gun registration. He supports Red Flag laws, and all the issues that come with it. We're in a worse spot now then we were under Obama because with Trump's help, these measures can accually be passed.

I don't care about quotes that you've posted where Trump claims he doesn't want ti change gun laws when recently and in the pasted on several occasions, he's stated and pushed for the exact opposite...

The guy is litterally on CNN, MSNBC, etc sitting next to Feinstein, Schumer, and other antigun Democrats using their rhetoric, saying Republicans are scared of the NRA, and that we need more gun control. If voters foreseen this, the man wouldn't have been elected let alone have been the nominee.

Overview | January 2013 Gun Proposal From President Obama:
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http://www.ncsl.org/research/civil-and-criminal-justice/summary-president-obama-gun-proposals.aspx
 
Trump is no friend of the Second Amendment. Hillary Clinton would have been worse. The chance to have meaningful support for 2A was lost in the last Republican primary. All this bickering is essentially irrelevant.

At this point our only hope is McConnell, because he knows that passing any sort of gun control loses the election back home in Kentucky. I’m hopeful that he’s making friendly noises with the intent of working behind the scenes to kill it.
 
Trump is no friend of the Second Amendment. Hillary Clinton would have been worse. The chance to have meaningful support for 2A was lost in the last Republican primary. All this bickering is essentially irrelevant.

At this point our only hope is McConnell, because he knows that passing any sort of gun control loses the election back home in Kentucky. I’m hopeful that he’s making friendly noises with the intent of working behind the scenes to kill it.

And your suggestions for voting in 2020 ... or is that also irrelevant ?
 
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All executive actions. I'm talking about lasting gun legislation that has gone through Congress, and will have to go through Congress again to ever be change. I'm talking about bans. Like the bump stock ban where people who purchased what they were told was legal to own, but with Trump's help, had to destroy without compensation else become a felon. You keep continuously bringing up executive actions that can easily be change, and which Obama had to resort to because he couldn't get anything else past. On the other hand, with the Republican President pushing for it, things are being banned and It's starting to look like accual legislation will get passed.
 
Irrelevant, since the legislation under discussion will either pass or fail before then.

You seem to have forgotten this is a gun forum, not a political one.

1. Are you seriously telling me that an Assault weapons Ban is not a relevant topic on a 'gun forum' ?
2. Are you also confident that if the next president was a Democrat that we would be better off ?

@Styx please chime in here as well, we need more of your humor
 
I can give you a rational reason not to argue politics: because it’s against the forum rules. I’m amazed this thread hasn’t been locked already.

I would think an argument for preserving our RKBA would be entirely within the spirit of this forum.

It is a weak mind that deflects arguments.
 
I would think an argument for preserving our RKBA would be entirely within the spirit of this forum.

It is a weak mind that deflects arguments.
What kind of mind is it that insults people who don’t want to have a pointless discussion?
 
People in many countries have no choice of different parties or candidates, even if they Can vote.

No vote = no voice. No complex issues can be easily simplified, especially the right to own guns. "No voice" for some other Americans is fine with me, it keeps voting lines shorter for those of us who can make a decision. Nobody guarantees that a choice must be easy.

My choice is to vote for acceptable, imperfect candidates (White House and Congress), because there are No Perfect candidates for many of us. The candidates I can't accept want to weaken several areas of the Constitution, and even alter the Supreme Court.
But the press only makes "good copy" out of the Second Amendment.
 
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People in many countries have no choice of different parties or candidates, even if they Can vote.

No vote = no voice. No complex issues can be easily simplified, especially the right to own guns. "No voice" for some other Americans is fine with me, it keeps voting lines shorter for those of us who can make a decision. Nobody guarantees that a choice must be easy.

My choice is to vote for acceptable, imperfect candidates (White House and Congress), because there are No Perfect candidates for many of us. The candidates I can't accept want to weaken several areas of the Constitution, and even alter the Supreme Court.
But the press only makes "good copy" out of the Second Amendment.

Here's the thing - there aren't any acceptable imperfect canidate when it comes to 2A rights this election. We'll be stuck with two candidates working towards the same goal.

The gun control proposals Trump and the Democrats are trying to implement aren't going to stop mass shootings. Regardless of the facts, e.g., guns were puchased legal, background check was done, etc, Democrats and Trump will call for unrelated gun control measures that have nothing to do and wouldn't have stop the shooting in question from occurring. Just feel good measures to push the agenda to incrementally limit our gun rights.

Like the Democrats, the Trump has been on record for years supporting all of the same gun control measures. Everything they're trying to pass now, Trump has supported until he had political aspirations to run as a Republican. If he's willing to push gun control during his reelection campaign, there's zero doubt in my mind that he's going to be much worse IF he wins reelection, and after more shootings occur... Like the saying goes, a leopard can't change its spots.
 
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You seem to have forgotten this is...

Thread is about POTUS daughter lobbying CongressCritters AGAINST the 2A provisions of OUR Bill of RIGHTS.

OK, I will call alllll of them , right behind Ivanka..

ring...ring...ri ''Hello , Senator Tort Feasors office''
''Yes I am calling about the recent comme....''
''Sir/Ma'am/It, are you a constituent of Sen. T's district?''
''No, but...''
''Sir/M/I , we can only take calls from constitu...''

''YEAH RIGHT U TOOK IVANKA'S DIDN't YA?''

***I have called them b4 out of my district, and heard that sorry excuse. So use this if ya have to WHEN YOU CALL (not if you call)
 
@Styx , you're living in a dream world if you truly believe Trump is more anti than Obama. Obama merely lacked the votes to get it done. Obama and his crowd actively went after guns, Trump is merely reacting to public pressure and he nor the Republicans has put forth meaningful anti gun legislation as far as banning guns.

I'd much rather take my chances on guns with Trump than Obama.

Any "perfect" pro gun candidates out there? I'd say no as well. Any that are much better than the crop of Dems right now? Oh yea.
 
OH I 4GOT...

If you R in fact gonna call, and act like an :barf:appeasor calling Tort Feasor, at LEAST get them to add a SUNSET PROVISION....
 
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