One Suppressor, Multiple Firearms questions

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First, I am a complete NFA Noob, so go easy on me.

I am thinking of buying a Hybrid 46, mainly due to its multi-caliber functionality, and only wanting to buy one suppressor to meet most of my needs. I intend to use it on:

300 AAC AR pistol
9mm AR pistol
5.56 AR carbine & pistol
.308 Ruger Gunsite Scout Rifle

Now, here come my questions:

Is the Hybrid 46 a good choice for all these weapons? If not, is there another one-size fits all solution?

Am I correct that I can buy ASR muzzle devices for all of these weapons? If not, is there another quick attach solution that will work with all of them?

If I go ASR, I will need an ASR mount, correct? If another solution, is there a mount that will work with the Hybrid? Or, does the Hybrid already come with a mount that will work with quick attach muzzle devices for these weapons.

My thought process is this:

Buy the suppressor, and while it is in "NFA jail", obtain the various muzzle devices and other required accessories one or two at a time to spread out the cost. Anybody see a problem with this strategy?
 
Sistema1927 said:
Is the Hybrid 46 a good choice for all these weapons? If not, is there another one-size fits all solution?
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No. Unless you're shooting a big bore rifle like .458 SOCOM or .45-70 or a medium bore that a .338 can won't work for, the Hybrid is not a good choice for anything. I had one, gave it (yes, gave the thing I paid $900 for) to the other trustee. They sound like crap on small bore rifles, and they're too heavy for handguns.

For your purposes, buy a good .30 rifle can and an actual pistol can (.45 cal if you want flexibility, 9mm if you want minimal weight & dimensions).

If I were buying another manufacturer's products and looking to do the most with two cans, I'd probably go for the YHM Resonator and AAC TiRant 45M.
 
Concur with Mach. Unless you're going to be shooting bigger than .30 get a .30 can. I like the Omega from Silencerco in .30, then a .45 can also as Mach said. More money but better to get things right the first time. Add a .22 can and you're covered pretty well.
 
Thanks much folks.

I am guessing that I won't get into the NFA game anytime soon now. I was looking for a simple "one size fits all" solution, but guess that just like clothing this concept doesn't work.
 
I just sent in my paperwork for the Hybrid 46. I hope it’s better than described here.
 
I'll put in another vote for multiple cans. Most people settle on a .30cal rifle can, a .45 cal pistol can, and a .22 can. That covers 95% of anything you are gonna be shooting.

guyfromohio said:
I just sent in my paperwork for the Hybrid 46. I hope it’s better than described here.
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Don't get too dismayed. The 46 will silence your firearms. It'll be better than no can, and it'll give you the option to silence the thumpers that other cans wont.

A draft horse isn't really practical for herding cattle... but it's better than walking ;)

I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that once you've gotten a taste of shooting with a silencer, you'll be itching to fill out the stable. Heck, I rounded up the "starter pack" mentioned above (form 1 .30 cal, SiCo Osprey .45, and SiCo Sparrow) and decided I needed another .45 can (round this time) for PCC and another .22 ca (that matches the OD of my 22-45 light upper)
 
The other multi caliber cans I know of are the liberty mystic and the Griffin Optimus. I have heard the hybrid on blackout and 308. It certainly works, but I would not shoot either without some sort of hearing protection. It sounds more or less like unsuppressed 22 lr. Huge improvement, but not quiet. I have tender ears and deafness on both sides of the family, so I try not to tempt fate with "hearing safe"
 
Sistema1927 said:
Thanks much folks.

I am guessing that I won't get into the NFA game anytime soon now. I was looking for a simple "one size fits all" solution, but guess that just like clothing this concept doesn't work.
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Why? You can suppress 3/4 of the hosts you mentioned well with one decent .30 cal can. I'd go with something reasonably light and short along the lines of:

SiCo Omega
Energetic Armament Vox S
Dead Air Nomad 30
YHM Resonator (not as light, but cheaper)

Most of those can be found for the same, or even less money than the Hybrid, and will work better on 5.56mm - .30 cal. You can get the .30 cal can in process now and expand with rimfire or pistol cans later on when/if you're ready.
 
Gtscotty said:
Why? You can suppress 3/4 of the hosts you mentioned well with one decent .30 cal can.
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Why? Because I primarily wanted one for the 9mm, and the .30 caliber weapons would have been a bonus.

If someone could recommend a good 9mm can that would also work OK for supersonic .308 I would be happy to research it.
 
Sistema1927 said:
Why? Because I primarily wanted one for the 9mm, and the .30 caliber weapons would have been a bonus.

If someone could recommend a good 9mm can that would also work OK for supersonic .308 I would be happy to research it.
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The Liberty Mystic X fits that bill. It's a 9mm can that is rated up to .300 Win Mag. If I were going to get another 9mm suppressor, it would be the Mystic X.
 
I just looked at the Liberty Mystic X. Are there quick attach mounts for it? I didn't see any on Liberty's website. I do like that it is about $300 cheaper than the Hybrid.

MachIVshooter, I know that you are the expert here. Is it an improvement over the Hybrid 46?
 
I have used the mystic and the hybrid side by side on identical 300 blackout sbr's. the mystic was significantly quieter. The mystic does have options for qd. you buy this thing called the HATE ring and then screw that to a silencerco asr or some sort of mount. the mystic is fairly cheap, but mounts are stupidly expensive.
explanation of hate ring.
 
I thought about trying to do a one can fits all solution as well. But when I got to actually try various cans on my guns I found it just doesn’t work.

I have two cans in NFA Jail now. Dead air Ghost-M .45 caliber and a Odessa-9 for my 9mm.

One nice thing is the Odessa-9 will work both on my Baretta 92FS Inox, as well as my Baretta CX4. So same can for both.

The Ghost-M will work both on my S&W M&P 45 as well as on my Marlin 45-70, and on my Rossi M92 454 Casull if I decide to get M92 Barrel Threaded.

So while I didn’t try to do a one can fits all, I did figure out the best solution for me which is 2 cans take care of all the firearms I wish to have cans for.

Eventually I might pick up a third can if I get a 22 mag version of a AK-47
 
You know the ghost is not rated for 45-70 or 454 casull right? Unless you're reloading really light. It's not even rated for 44mag unless you have called deadair and received verbal approval.
 
Texasgrillchef said:
I called dead air and they told me it was???
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I'd be pretty skeptical of that. While some pistol cans can take the pressure, it's the heat that will get them if there are aluminum components, which I'm pretty sure the Ghost has.

My Phoenix XLV and Phoenix M have Ti tubes with 17-4 SS and 7075 aluminum parts, and I rate them for .44 mag & .454 on carbine barrels, but temperature is not to exceed 350°F, so slow fire. Phoenix M-HD is rated for rifle calibers burning <60 grs. in short configuration, but the -HD denotes that the primary baffle stack is all 17-4 H900 stainless steel. Phoenix M-HD still has an aluminum front module, which is not to be used with rifle cartridges.

In short, you can probably trust the Ghost to handle .44 mag & maybe .454 from carbines, but I would strongly advise against using it on a .45-70 unless we're talking cowboy loads. No Marlin & Ruger heavy stuff.
 
MachIVshooter said:
I'd be pretty skeptical of that. While some pistol cans can take the pressure, it's the heat that will get them if there are aluminum components, which I'm pretty sure the Ghost has.

My Phoenix XLV and Phoenix M have Ti tubes with 17-4 SS and 7075 aluminum parts, and I rate them for .44 mag & .454 on carbine barrels, but temperature is not to exceed 350°F, so slow fire. Phoenix M-HD is rated for rifle calibers burning <60 grs. in short configuration, but the -HD denotes that the primary baffle stack is all 17-4 H900 stainless steel. Phoenix M-HD still has an aluminum front module, which is not to be used with rifle cartridges.

In short, you can probably trust the Ghost to handle .44 mag & maybe .454 from carbines, but I would strongly advise against using it on a .45-70 unless we're talking cowboy loads. No Marlin & Ruger heavy stuff.
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Well using any loads I wouldn’t expect to fast fire any rounds whatsoever
 
Did you get a chance to shoot the .45-70 through the Ghost can? Been thinking about getting the rifle, already have that can (my first) and only can, for now.
 
I wouldn't.
Although I haven't screwed my 9mm solvent trap silencer on my 22wmr or 30 carbine yet just to try it out I'm pretty sure the results will be disappointing.

You should probably get something like a simple rebel silencer for your 5.56. You don't want to over suppress 5.56 it's a good way to get a charging handle to the face.
Then get a heavy 9mm silencer that will work with 9mm and blackout.
And then one for full power 308win with a full compliment of baffels that will work great with a bolt action rifle, let total weight and money be your only limits on that one.
 
748 said:
I wouldn't.
Although I haven't screwed my 9mm solvent trap silencer on my 22wmr or 30 carbine yet just to try it out I'm pretty sure the results will be disappointing.

You should probably get something like a simple rebel silencer for your 5.56. You don't want to over suppress 5.56 it's a good way to get a charging handle to the face.
Then get a heavy 9mm silencer that will work with 9mm and blackout.
And then one for full power 308win with a full compliment of baffels that will work great with a bolt action rifle, let total weight and money be your only limits on that one.
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Thanks for the info. I wasn’t going to suppress the rifle originally but if my can would work, why not. I’m in the process for getting a YHM turbo for my 5.56 to take the edge off. But still want another “big boy” can at some point.
 
B8z1977 said:
Thanks for the info. I wasn’t going to suppress the rifle originally but if my can would work, why not. I’m in the process for getting a YHM turbo for my 5.56 to take the edge off. But still want another “big boy” can at some point.
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Sorry, didn’t see you weren’t replying to my question. Still good info.
 
guyfromohio said:
I just sent in my paperwork for the Hybrid 46. I hope it’s better than described here.
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Don't let the naysayers sway you off a Hybrid.
It is a great multi-caliber can that does a good job on many different calibers.
My first can was a Hybrid and I haven't looked back.
I now have 2, plus several 30 cal cans, a 22 rimfire can, a 556 can, a 45 cal can for 9mm and 45acp pistols, and the Hybrids for 450 bushmaster and 8mm mauser.
 
Sistema1927 said:
If someone could recommend a good 9mm can that would also work OK for supersonic .308 I would be happy to research it.
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What does “good” mean to you?

You are asking about something that will work with a round that holds 40+ grains of powder operating at over 60,000 PSI.

Make the hole larger than necessary for a .30 caliber projectile and it will be safe with a 9mm round that contains less than 10 grains of powder at pressures closer to 35,000 psi and make a bit more noise than a more appropriate sized hole for .308.

That said, it’s not going to be ideal on a 9mm pistol. You could put brakes from a 1 ton truck on a bicycle and they will work fantastic but the rest of the time you have to deal with the unnecessary size and weight of the “more than good enough” components.
 
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I tried out my new 9mm silencer on a 10/22. It is effective, not noticeably louder than a dedicated 22LR silencer but, a typical 22LR silencer is 5 or 6 inches long and 1 inch or less in diameter.
My 9mm silencer is a little over 7 inches long and 1.25 inches wide but it weighs around 3 times as much as my GM22.
It boils down to will it work for you?

For me I wouldn't want to screw a full pound and then some of silencer on the end of my 5.56mm. The hybrid46 weighs 17 ounces.
My "rebel alliance" 5.56 silencer is a little shorter, a little thinner and weighs 8oz.
 
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