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“We have to pass the bill to see what’s in it.” And it passed. So there’s the logic of the left. And it cost us billions. So what’s another failed tax right? It protects the children.

They also said it’s similar to the cigarette tax that is supposed to cover healthcare and death costs from tobacco use. But I’ll bet you a plug nickel that if I get cancer, my healthcare cost and funeral expenses aren't going to be subsidized by that tax.
 
If it gets to the point that we feel like we have to hide our guns and become defacto criminals, that will be a very bad day.

Understated, but accurate as always, Walkalong.

there will always be the weight over your head of knowing that if you are found out you may face jail time.

At that point, when the guy who's never been a criminal before has become a criminal just for not complying with poorly-conceived and unjust confiscation laws, then there is nothing more to lose. If it ever comes to confiscation, they better get every darned one of them because the ones that are left will be...problematic.

Cause the only thing after confiscation is standing over the pit of dead relatives and friends, looking down and waiting for our turn. I'm always amazed at the number of people who think Nazi Germany or the Soviet gulags or Mao's purges are ancient history instead of only 80 or less years ago. We unfortunately seem to be inching steadily closer to that time, again, in this country now that Europe, Australia and New Zealand are lost..

"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking...we had no awareness of the real situation."
 
Once they make us felons for mere possession of that which was once legal some of us will decide in for a penny, in for a pound and start converting those semi-auto rifles to selective fire. What do we have to lose at that point?
 
Once they make us felons for mere possession of that which was once legal some of us will decide in for a penny, in for a pound and start converting those semi-auto rifles to selective fire.

True, but (devil's advocate) if I was a prosecutor, I'd throw the book at someone who willfully doubled down on violating the laws rather than a guy who simply, and only incidentally violated them.
 
well you can't blame them. look at how easily they passed all the other anti-2nd amendment laws in California. their opposition has been message boards, joining a group and a few news articles. no marches, no demonstrations, no law suits..... just a brief complaint that fades away....
 
FRIENDS!!

A lil calm here please!

A long way off from WTRoL TEoTWAWKI, aren't we? Conversation is on the precipice danger close, my alcohol stove heats a qt. of water quicker then yours does; does not // does too --does not >>does too:alien:

--Call , write your Reps
--Donate a $10, 20, 5 or whatever to a good pro 2A foundation
 
It would be nice if all the gun forums could join together some how. Become one loud voice. But, The gun owners in this country are not the Majority. The anti gun nuts are not the Majority either. The Majority in this country is still the pro Constitution, Freedom loving, Hardworking every day American People. Believe it or not we are feared by not only the anti Constitution, anti Freedom, anti gun, anti America hate groups. We are feared by our own Gov. If we would stand up as One. Just one time.They would all rush to hide under a rock where they belong. We have to get non gun owners on our side. We have to improve our image. We have to show that we are not gun toting mad killers like the media wants to portray we are. We have to do it Now.
 
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are there 10,000 lawful gun owners in California? I ask because I've yet to see 10,000 lawful gun owners march in Sacramento and stage demonstrations in all the years their rights have been drastically infringed upon.
 
Sometimes you just need to turn off the news and put that focus into enjoying life. Take that white water rafting trip with your favorite guns. :)
 
are there 10,000 lawful gun owners in California? I ask because I've yet to see 10,000 lawful gun owners march in Sacramento and stage demonstrations in all the years their rights have been drastically infringed upon.
But would it not be nice if they did? I bet "Sacramento" would take Notice. You heard of the million man march. Just think if Five, Ten or even Fifteen Million everyday Freedom Loving American People stood up all around the country. All at one time. The loss of freedom would not be something to fear for the next 500 years.
 
There's a difference between gun owners and a guy/gal who owns a gun(s).
I know a lot of the latter, and fewer of the former. If the former can't be bothered to call Sacramento to simply say "oppose" this or that, the latter are going to be less inclined to do the same. The reason gun owners are marginalized in California and the rest of the nation is because we aren't a significant voting bloc. Making matters worse is the perception that we are, by way of the "powerful gun lobby". It's all about optics these days. Smart politicians don't want to look like they're cowing to big gun and a bunch of hillbillies with assault rifles. The truth is (and I hope people realize this already), the gun lobby doesn't even register compared to the real heavy-hitter donors and our threats to unelect people we don't like don't carry a lot of weight.
 
Many times I have debated those that say " well you need a license, registration and insurance for a car why not for a gun and a gun is designed to kill a car isn't"

Yeah so they have a license, took a test have a registration and insurance for the car yet we can bring up pages and pages of news reports of people who had all that and still drove recklessly or under the influence.

Like said it is just a scheme to make it more difficult to own a gun.
 
are there 10,000 lawful gun owners in California? I ask because I've yet to see 10,000 lawful gun owners march in Sacramento and stage demonstrations in all the years their rights have been drastically infringed upon.

True gun owners, not just people who own a gun, usually have jobs, families and other responsibilities. That makes it pretty difficult for them to just drop everything and drive all day to a protest that will likely be ignored.
 
True gun owners, not just people who own a gun, usually have jobs, families and other responsibilities. That makes it pretty difficult for them to just drop everything and drive all day to a protest that will likely be ignored.

plan in advance. one month out. you get more than that at a 1 p.m. baseball game on Tuesday.
 
plan in advance. one month out. you get more than that at a 1 p.m. baseball game on Tuesday.

Not as most that I've seen. I know the attendance numbers count all the season ticket holders, whether they show up or not. Actual attendance is more like 2-3K at most of those games.

It's also more complicated than that. There's the drive and possible overnight stay. You're burning 1-2 days for most guys.

I live south and east of DFW. For me to go to Austin means getting up very early, driving 4 hours one way, doing my business, and then driving home.

Like many gun owners I'm also over 50 and have some health issues.

I'm not making excuses, just trying to explain the facts. The Left gets people to show up by paying them. Perhaps that's what we need to do.
 
I've yet to see 10,000 lawful gun owners march in Sacramento and stage demonstrations in all the years their rights have been drastically infringed upon.

Look at the population centers in the state and look at where Sacramento is in relation to them.
A trip to the capital is a five-hundred mile drive or (with all the airport bs), several hours flying/renting a car, etc for me.

Besides that, we don't need raucous demonstrations. We need people to just pick up the phone or to write an email once in awhile.
 
How about just in your own city or town. In one day. Every courthouse or town hall is surrounded by everyday people demanding what the Constitution promises. Nothing more and Nothing Less.
 
Not as most that I've seen. I know the attendance numbers count all the season ticket holders, whether they show up or not. Actual attendance is more like 2-3K at most of those games.

It's also more complicated than that. There's the drive and possible overnight stay. You're burning 1-2 days for most guys.

I live south and east of DFW. For me to go to Austin means getting up very early, driving 4 hours one way, doing my business, and then driving home.

Like many gun owners I'm also over 50 and have some health issues.

I'm not making excuses, just trying to explain the facts. The Left gets people to show up by paying them. Perhaps that's what we need to do.

look at any of the MLB day games in California and tell me its only 2-3k fans in the stadium. if you mean to tell me that the SF Giants and Oakland A's can get 20,000 fans for a 1 p.m. Tuesday game several times a year, each; but gun owners can't get 10,000 together a month in advance for a march and demonstration in Sacramento once? it showcases the phrase 'people get the government they deserve'.
 
OK, firstly,

1. Lets do inform our elected representatives at every opportunity, hopefully the GOA will update us:
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/make-it-happen-goa.854729/

2. Lets donate as much as we can to our RKBA organizations

3. Lets donate as much as we can to our political allies

4. Lets communicate all we can to other outlets (E.G. Facebook).
with this we have to form rational arguments for our RKBA
RKBA?? I was just reading the RKBA Meaning article. At the very top of the page, before you even get to the article is an bright orange block with the words " Sign the petition to get walmart to stop selling ""ALL""guns. And you want us to give them money. Rkba is a liberal smoke screen. In all my years "72" I have never known a liberal to be a 100% honest. 5% just maybe.
 
Look at the population centers in the state and look at where Sacramento is in relation to them.
A trip to the capital is a five-hundred mile drive or (with all the airport bs), several hours flying/renting a car, etc for me.

Besides that, we don't need raucous demonstrations. We need people to just pick up the phone or to write an email once in awhile.

San Francisco, Oakland, Sacramento itself...… no rental car, no airfare, no excuse. you don't need demonstrations? brother you need something that gets media attention, which in turn gets guy on the street attention, which in turn gets political attention... how's the letter writing, emails and phone calls been working all these decades? its a good things the folks in Ohio didn't take the apathetic approach.
 
San Francisco, Oakland, Sacramento itself...… no rental car, no airfare, no excuse. you don't need demonstrations? brother you need something that gets media attention, which in turn gets guy on the street attention, which in turn gets political attention... how's the letter writing, emails and phone calls been working all these decades? its a good things the folks in Ohio didn't take the apathetic approach.

Ohio is a MUCH smaller state, therefor easier to assemble at the capitol.
 
San Francisco, Oakland, Sacramento itsel

Right. Again, those aren't the population centers in the state. LA, Orange, Riverside, San Bernadino and San Diego are the most populous counties.

And while I appreciate your enthusiasm for marching on the capitol, I have to wonder why you're so insistent that it would be a positive public relations move? You may or may not realize that getting media attention focused on things like open carry and work-arounds for the state's "assault weapon" ban are exactly what brought it to the attention of lawmakers who "fixed' those up for us.

Also, there's the matter of optics. Remember Linda Thompson's proposed march on DC? The way gun owners were vilified in the press then, much more now, how do you think a bunch of gun nuts assembling in front of the state capitol would come off to the average person?

Progress comes slowly. We stopped being able to win in the legislature so we've moved onto the courts. Glacial can describe that pace.
 
Ohio is a MUCH smaller state, therefor easier to assemble at the capitol.

With totally different politics too.
The thread is about a local ordinance in San Jose. Best bet is for folks up that way to do what we did down here just recently, and be at their city council meetings to show their presence.
 
Ohio is a MUCH smaller state, therefor easier to assemble at the capitol.

Right. Again, those aren't the population centers in the state. LA, Orange, Riverside, San Bernadino and San Diego are the most populous counties.

And while I appreciate your enthusiasm for marching on the capitol, I have to wonder why you're so insistent that it would be a positive public relations move? You may or may not realize that getting media attention focused on things like open carry and work-arounds for the state's "assault weapon" ban are exactly what brought it to the attention of lawmakers who "fixed' those up for us.

Also, there's the matter of optics. Remember Linda Thompson's proposed march on DC? The way gun owners were vilified in the press then, much more now, how do you think a bunch of gun nuts assembling in front of the state capitol would come off to the average person?

Progress comes slowly. We stopped being able to win in the legislature so we've moved onto the courts. Glacial can describe that pace.

With totally different politics too.
The thread is about a local ordinance in San Jose. Best bet is for folks up that way to do what we did down here just recently, and be at their city council meetings to show their presence.

you folks are missing the point. Ohio marchers didn't just march in Columbus, but across the state, a hundred here and hundred there. regarding population centers, if you think the bay area isn't one you're not even marginally versed on California. also.... no one said you have to demonstrate open carry and what not, in fact I advise against it. just a 10,000 person gathering with banners, a bull horn, making a day of it.... making your voice heard, with media attention because they're hoping you screw it up by bringing your open carry rifles slung over your shoulder. but you keep on doing what's been working for you folks all these years.
 
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