Negligent Discharges:

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The only unintentional discharges (maybe that’ll make everyone happy) I’ve had were with an old ducks foot black powder pistol that would have extremely long hang fires, I mean minutes not seconds. I was a teenager and didn’t clean it like I should causing the problem. Having three barrels, sometimes it would fire twice after the hammer fell, and nothing happened. I knew the gun had the issue so I was always dry cautious about having it pointed in a safe direction.

Another one was when I had an AK that had been shot a lot and got very hot, then I put it in my safe, barrel down which I’ve told allowed all the fowling to make the firing pin stick. Next time I got it out of the safe I let the bolt go and, bang, slam fire. Right into the ground a few feet in front of me.

As for the study, it’s interesting but pretty much useless. Most unintentional discharges never make the news, many times only one person on the face of the earth knows it happened, so when you eliminate them, well, it’s hardly “science.”
 
I'm 60 and have been lucky. Maybe part of it is that my best friend when I was 14 blew a good part of his left leg off with a shotgun in an accident. I went with him and his mother to the doctor when they took the bandages off and it made a lasting impression. I have been very hyper aware of safety since then.
 
Good Lord...I got two paragraphs into this and wished it was rather written by Stephenie Meyer.

They said they undertook a MASSIVE STUDY, and then went on to say they read a lot of news articles.

I don't know about you guys, but this doesn't lend a lot of credibility to their efforts when I know I've read plenty of news articles that referred to shotguns as AR-15s, a couple beat up rifles and a box or two of ammunition as an arsenal, and a picture of an unfired cartridge as a bullet dug out of a wall.

Regardless, ALL negligent discharges are, by definition, the fault of the person handling the firearm. "Culpable carelessness."

An accidental discharge, however, is not the same, though some may think so and it might, at first glance anyway, be difficult to understand the difference.

That said... there may indeed be some correlation between makes/models and inadvertent discharges, accidental or negligent. But the overriding common factor in NDs will always be personnel issues, not the gun.

Some firearm designs may lend themselves more readily to an inadvertent discharge... but then, the operator of the firearm is responsible for knowing and understanding the limitations, regardless.

We could bounce this back and forth ad infinitum while stressing one opinion or another...and I'll say right now, I'm sure a lot of points will be posted that I'll readily concede to on this.

But in the end, a negligent discharge is the fault of the operator, not the gun.
 
Yup.

A Thirty Eight is loud without muffs.

I may want to blame the hornets, but it was I that could not count to five.

I've never seen a YellowJacket so close as when they were under my glasses!:what:

I was stung fifteen times, luckily not by the last shot in the cylinder, when I flung my muffs and glasses off...

Blue lips and an Epipen. Good times.
I can even still hear it in my left ear!:thumbdown:
Like crickets all the time...

Notice how U.D.'s only happen when humans are around?:D
 
Yup.

A Thirty Eight is loud without muffs.

I may want to blame the hornets, but it was I that could not count to five.

I've never seen a YellowJacket so close as when they were under my glasses!:what:

I was stung fifteen times, luckily not by the last shot in the cylinder, when I flung my muffs and glasses off...

Blue lips and an Epipen. Good times.
I can even still hear it in my left ear!:thumbdown:
Like crickets all the time...

Notice how U.D.'s only happen when humans are around?:D

Be Kind To Your Dogs:

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Cuddly dogs shoots owner on deer hunt:
http://www.anorak.co.uk/333765/strange-but-true/cuddly-dogs-shoots-owner-on-deer-hunt.html


Man’s Worst Enemy: 6 Negligent Gun Owners Who Were Shot by Their Own Dogs:
https://www.alternet.org/2014/12/ma...gent-gun-owners-who-were-shot-their-own-dogs/

And, if you're worrying, The dogs were not charged with any crimes. :uhoh:
 
most stories I hear are semi-auto pistols .. people making mistakes unloading and dropping the hammer on a live round. it would be overtly difficult to make the same error with a revolver IMHO
 
I'm with several other posters in saying that their data is grossly incomplete. As already stated, most (negligent, accidental, unforeseen, inadvertent, etc.) discharges go unreported. They are only studying the worst of the worst that get reported which will always involve an injury.

So, according to their study, if you have an AD/ND, you WILL get injured or die. That's not true. It seems to me this article is intended to be used as a scare tactic to support an anti-gun agenda stating something like, "if you own a gun, you're 2,000,000 times more likely to get injured or die or injure/kill someone else with that gun".
 
Good Lord...I got two paragraphs into this and wished it was rather written by Stephenie Meyer.

They said they undertook a MASSIVE STUDY, and then went on to say they read a lot of news articles.

I don't know about you guys, but this doesn't lend a lot of credibility to their efforts when I know I've read plenty of news articles that referred to shotguns as AR-15s, a couple beat up rifles and a box or two of ammunition as an arsenal, and a picture of an unfired cartridge as a bullet dug out of a wall.

Regardless, ALL negligent discharges are, by definition, the fault of the person handling the firearm. "Culpable carelessness."

An accidental discharge, however, is not the same, though some may think so and it might, at first glance anyway, be difficult to understand the difference.

That said... there may indeed be some correlation between makes/models and inadvertent discharges, accidental or negligent. But the overriding common factor in NDs will always be personnel issues, not the gun.

Some firearm designs may lend themselves more readily to an inadvertent discharge... but then, the operator of the firearm is responsible for knowing and understanding the limitations, regardless.

We could bounce this back and forth ad infinitum while stressing one opinion or another...and I'll say right now, I'm sure a lot of points will be posted that I'll readily concede to on this.

But in the end, a negligent discharge is the fault of the operator, not the gun.

Agree with the study, do not agree with the last line. If you had said 98 percent is the fault of the operator....
Remember the Taurus PT111 recall?
Been other cases but this one stands out cause I have one, have not touched it in years and never will load it.
https://www.grandviewoutdoors.com/g...9-million-settlement-in-defective-pistol-case
 
Agree with the study, do not agree with the last line. If you had said 98 percent is the fault of the operator....
Remember the Taurus PT111 recall?
Been other cases but this one stands out cause I have one, have not touched it in years and never will load it.
https://www.grandviewoutdoors.com/g...9-million-settlement-in-defective-pistol-case

If the issues is legitimately due to a defect or design fault, then it's not a negligent discharge. It's an accidental discharge.

If, for example, I'm shooting my Colt SAA at the range and the hammer drops without my touching the trigger because of a broken hand assembly piece or a tooth broken tooth on the hammer, that's not something that's "negligent". (Unless, of course, it can be shown that my handling/maintenance of the gun directly caused this damage.) In these examples, the hammer will fall on it's own after I've gone through the cocking motions and subsequently released it.

A negligent discharge itself is negligent by definition BECAUSE of the operator.
 
most stories I hear are semi-auto pistols .. people making mistakes unloading and dropping the hammer on a live round. it would be overtly difficult to make the same error with a revolver IMHO
I've seen a revolver go off when bumped off the table at a gun range. No idea whether is was hammer down on a live round or otherwise, however the owner swore the hammer wasn't cocked. Thankfully the bullet went generally down range. Speaking of ranges, everyone one I've every been to has a few to a lot of holes in the ceilings above the benches -those were probably not intentional. Only 1 ND in my life, scared me terribly, was a bad 22LR round stuck in the chamber. Part of the rim was pushed in so the extractor would not hook on it. I followed the usual open/close the bolt a few times to confirm empty then closed and pulled the trigger. Thankfully was pointing in a safe direction. Never assume anything is empty without looking in the chamber! Since then all guns are stored with action open and use chamber flags at the range when we call cold.

Sadly have known a number of families who experienced suicides. They never put that information out to thw church or public. Always a gun cleaning accident, or accidental overdose, or slip/fall as opposed to the truth. So I'm sure any study of news articles will be wrong.
 
Had an ND with a salvaged Norinco 213. Pulled it out of the Black Warrior River during a search for scrap metal to be used in a sculpture class. No wants from the local police departments. Took it to my Man Cave, which was mostly poured concrete and doubled as a storm shelter - a necessity in central Alabama. Also, I had an old headboard made out of 2" x 10" boards that I used as a shelf and a safe aim corner.
It got used that day.
I cleaned and re-assembled the pistol and put the magazine in with fresh 9mm ammo. When I let the slide go forward it fired - twice. A flaw in the sear and the interrupter.
Both bullets wound up in the headboard.
A hunt for a replacement firing mechanism led to another adventure that involved the FBI Violent Crime Unit... .
 
Dogs can kill their owners. Near Mountain Home, Idaho three buddies went duck hunting. They put their gear and dogs in a pit blind and waded out to set decoys. As the three of them were wading back. a shotgun discharged from the blind and caught the one guy square in the face. Dead. What happened (as determined by law officers including the nearby air base's OSI investigators) is the shotgun was propped upright near the entrance to the pit. A dog, seeing the guys returning, got excited and started jumping around. The gun was knocked down, the dog stepped on the trigger guard, and clicked off the guard-mounted safety with his weight. A toenail caught the trigger and BANG. Incredible, but true. OSI revisited this tragedy several times but could not come up with any other explanation.
 
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