Cz 75 cocked and locked vs 9mm 1911

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Is a CZ 75 carry cocked and locked essentially the same as a 9mm 1911.

Aside from the firing pin safety are there structural differences that give one advantage over the other?

Please describe any differences in maintenance issues and reliability issues that give one advantage over the other.
 
The biggest difference I see is the CZ75 is a "big hand" gun while the 1911 is more small hand friendly.

While using the CZ75 as a single action gun makes the long DA trigger reach not an issue, the reach to the thumb safety is still a lot longer than the 1911.

The CZ75 advantage is it is designed around the 9mm. The 1911 needs some kind of spacer in the mag, either front or back, to allow the shorter 9mm to function in the 1911 which was designed to function with the longer .45 Auto.
 
I would have to agree with JTQ in that with my smaller size hand the ergonomics of a 1911 would be slightly better than that of a CZ75.
 
Interesting...

I would say the opposite, the cz tends to fit MY smaller hands better than 1911's due to being designed around the 9mm.
The CZ75 has a double column mag, the DA trigger reach is much longer, and the pivot point on the CZ75 thumb safety is about at the same point, relative to the backstrap, as the forward leading edge of a Colt 1911 teardrop thumb safety.

I'll agree if folks want to say the CZ75 grip is very comfortable in the hand, but if you're talking about reaching the trigger and thumb safety, the 1911 is more small hand friendly.

I wear a men's size small glove, for reference.
 
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The 1911 trigger is SAO and is generally easier to tune for the "glass rod break" that everybody talks about. Even a SAO CZ trigger will not match a finely tuned 1911 trigger. The straight-back motion of the 1911 trigger bow will always be easier to control than a pivoting trigger in a CZ (my opinion only!).
 
Are there structural differences in their sear design...or any other part that would make one more durable or reliable than the other?
 
Are there structural differences in their sear design...or any other part that would make one more durable or reliable than the other?
The sear and sear spring are of completely different designs. I cannot comment on relative durability of either, but I have had no issues with either. I find 1911 disassembly and tuning to be easier than the CZ design. However, someone skilled at tuning czs may argue that point.
 
They both work well and fit me well...have medium size hands.

Biggest advantages to the CZ are magazine capacity (I run a 19 round in my CZ75B) and the DA which allows a second strike without recocking if there is a possible primer issue. The DA also makes (for me) dry firing easier as I don't need to cock the hammer or rack the slide (I use a firing pin activated laser).

Disadvantages are that unless you are good with really small parts :cuss: if you ever have to change something out it is a real pain. Even the trigger return spring can be a pain. Their use of roll pins also means that you must have a punch and spare pins if you're going to do much other than change the recoil spring. Lastly, the very small slide surface can make it hard to get a good grip for racking the slide if under stress.

On the 1911 I think that the safety is better, I like having a grip safety and it is fairly easy to work on...only a few small parts and unless you are fitting a part you don't need any special tools. The only downside (9mm) is the lower round capacity.
 
They both work well and fit me well...have medium size hands.

Biggest advantages to the CZ are magazine capacity (I run a 19 round in my CZ75B) and the DA which allows a second strike without recocking if there is a possible primer issue. The DA also makes (for me) dry firing easier as I don't need to cock the hammer or rack the slide (I use a firing pin activated laser).

Disadvantages are that unless you are good with really small parts :cuss: if you ever have to change something out it is a real pain. Even the trigger return spring can be a pain. Their use of roll pins also means that you must have a punch and spare pins if you're going to do much other than change the recoil spring. Lastly, the very small slide surface can make it hard to get a good grip for racking the slide if under stress.

On the 1911 I think that the safety is better, I like having a grip safety and it is fairly easy to work on...only a few small parts and unless you are fitting a part you don't need any special tools. The only downside (9mm) is the lower round capacity.


That's a very good point...I'm referring to the small parts of the CZ.
 
CZ-75.

A 1911 in 9mm is an abomination and blasphemy. If you want a 1911 to shoot .355 diameter bullets 38 Super is the only proper choice.
 
CZ-75.

A 1911 in 9mm is an abomination and blasphemy. If you want a 1911 to shoot .355 diameter bullets 38 Super is the only proper choice.


I agree. . My question was purely academic. My 1911 will always be a .45
 
The CZ75 has a double column mag, the DA trigger reach is much longer, and the pivot point on the CZ75 thumb safety is about at the same point, relative to the backstrap, as the forward leading edge of a Colt 1911 teardrop thumb safety.

I'll agree if folks want to say the CZ75 grip is very comfortable in the hand, but if you're talking about reaching the trigger and thumb safety, the 1911 is more small hand friendly.

I wear a men's size small glove, for reference.

Concour.

I have XL hands and find the safety uncomfortable to reach on the CZ guns, especially compared to the 1911 location. It's basically my only complaint with CZ guns, and I've tried I believe all of the various extended safety options and none of them are to my liking.

So my double stack SAO guns remain Sig, BHP and widebody 1911s
 
A 1911 in 9mm is an abomination and blasphemy.
Blasphemy, maybe
An abomination, hardly

My Springfield ":Loaded" 9mm 1911 is one of my favorite pistols.
I liked the first one so much I bought a second one to have as a spare. (somewhere around 35K rounds on the first one)
(always nice to have a backup gun for matches, never needed it but you never know)
 
Is a CZ 75 carry cocked and locked essentially the same as a 9mm 1911.

Aside from the firing pin safety are there structural differences that give one advantage over the other?

Please describe any differences in maintenance issues and reliability issues that give one advantage over the other.

OP, is your question whether there is some reason not to carry a CZ cocked-and-locked, or are you just asking about whether there are reasons to prefer one type over the other?
 
I would say that a more apt comparison would be between a CZ75 and a Browning Hi Power.

Now that FN has stopped production of the Hi Power and FEG and FM are no longer in business, if you want a Hi Power class single action gun (I HATE DA/SA guns other than the Walther PPK), your choice is between the CZ75 SA and the TISAS Hi Power clone.

I'm casually weighing that choice right now.
 
I would say that a more apt comparison would be between a CZ75 and a Browning Hi Power.

Now that FN has stopped production of the Hi Power and FEG and FM are no longer in business, if you want a Hi Power class single action gun (I HATE DA/SA guns other than the Walther PPK), your choice is between the CZ75 SA and the TISAS Hi Power clone.

I'm casually weighing that choice right now.

I would go TISAS and send it to C&S for a full slicking up kit.

Then again, I have a MKIII I keep meaning to send there one if these years
 
Now that FN has stopped production of the Hi Power and FEG and FM are no longer in business, if you want a Hi Power class single action gun (I HATE DA/SA guns other than the Walther PPK), your choice is between the CZ75 SA and the TISAS Hi Power clone.

There are also the Tanfoglio SAO versions, although none of those come from the factory with that sleek "hi-power cut" profile at the front that takes weight and width from the front of the gun.

And one can buy the parts to convert DA/SA safety-equipped CZ's and Tanfo's to SAO.
 
OP, is your question whether there is some reason not to carry a CZ cocked-and-locked, or are you just asking about whether there are reasons to prefer one type over the other?

I'm in the process of exploring a new ccw. Currently using Glock 19. Exploring both CZ 75 and 1911s.
Wanted to know if there was structural differences that would make one less likely to break down.

I have a lot to learn regarding both systems. I wanted to commit to the one that was less prone to breakage. (Between 1911 vs CZ)

I have all three...but wanted the collective opinion. Glocks I'm familiar with and love. But as I get older, I'm gravitating to metal guns.
 
Wanted to know if there was structural differences that would make one less likely to break down.

What do you mean by "break down"? You mean have parts that actually break and need to be replaced, or is more likely to experience some kind of temporary stoppage?
 
What do you mean by "break down"? You mean have parts that actually break and need to be replaced, or is more likely to experience some kind of temporary stoppage?
Actual parts that wear out and break..and need replacing.
 
High volume competition shooters (many thousands of rounds per year) often end up putting their CZ trigger return springs and slide stops on a preventative maintenance schedule.
 
Actual parts that wear out and break..and need replacing.
I have a "Handloader" magazine from April 2011 (Issue #271) with an article by Charles E. Petty, titled "How Long Will it Last". I searched for an e-version for you, but no luck.

One of his comments is...

"The bulk of my experience with high-round-count guns is with the 1911, and I can't honestly say I've ever seen one truly worn out."

Of course, when you say 1911, that takes in a whole range of things from foreign made guns to custom guns costing several thousands of dollars. While there are some "clones" of CZ's, nobody considers the Tanfoglio and CZ to be the same gun.
 
While there are some "clones" of CZ's, nobody considers the Tanfoglio and CZ to be the same gun.

Or, rather, quite a few people do but those people are generally pretty misinformed about both of them.
 
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