Charlie98
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I’m glad you think so... but I don’t think so. I can carry one, I can’t conceal one. I may be 6’2” but I’m only 185#. As Arnold said, “It doesn’t verk that vay.”
Why all the craze of single stacks ?
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I’m glad you think so... but I don’t think so. I can carry one, I can’t conceal one. I may be 6’2” but I’m only 185#. As Arnold said, “It doesn’t verk that vay.”
The Evangelist Cowboy
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A good belt and holster go a long way. That's for any gun. Which I'm sure you know.
I share the same issue regarding the waistline but use a very good belt and suspenders and carry a 92fs all day every day. Because I live in Indiana and am legally licensed by the state, how I carry is my choice, and I do so based on my current environment.
My experiences with carry is if it's covered, its concealed.
The same folks that say you're never going to engage in a s/d situation are usually the same folks that say if you're open or printing, someone is going to take your firearm and shoot you with it.
I've always felt that the chances are very low to have to actually engage but I firmly adhere to "better to have and not need than to need and not have." And while I carry a double stack, my main practice platform is draw and double tap. I just like the insurance of 14 more rounds if needed.
Ironically though, I just purchased a single stack RI 1911 in 9mm and I'm sure after I've put enough rounds through it to be viable I will carry it from time to time.
I'm 3 inches shorter than him and can conceal just about anything smaller than a M72 LAW. I've got wide shoulders so garments tend to drape off me.
Body type has more to do with anything than height alone.
That said I still carry a single stack.
Trunk Monkey
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And there are those of us who say it because people have tried to take our guns off of us.
I dont take this lightly, a retention holster is an absolute if you carry
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Single stacks are slightly more reliable, grip is smaller, never witnessed a handgun firefight that wasn't over before the guns were empty, only read one story online https://www.policeone.com/police-he...ne-cop-carries-145-rounds-of-ammo-on-the-job/ and heard one from an instructor at the academy of needing more than 3 mags. I like double stacks and I like having more than I think I'll need. I'm either paranoid or prudent, depending on who you ask.
JR24
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What evidence do you have for this theory?
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Probably just my own experience when I started shooting long ago using a 1903 and a 1911 and later older BHP. I actually don't even have proof that I'm here typing this answer.
Zendude
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I have noticed that for me heavier gun feels like it prints more because of the weight. But when I look in a mirror, a double stack with a short grip conceals better than a single stack with a longer grip.
JR24
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Ok, thanks.
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The FBI put out numbers suggesting that most self defense shootings involve less than 3 shots within 3 feet, I don't know of any single stack that cant pull that off. Not to mention the size issue, as more women and people of smaller stature are beginning to realize that the police cant protect them but a CCW just might. I carry a clunky old wheel gun in a Galco Highrise, so what do I know. Plus you must remember that every round you launch in a self defense scenario has a lawyer attached, so make 'em count.
Shanghai McCoy
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Gads what to revolver guys think with only 5 or 6??
Avoid trouble and, if I need to shoot, aim carefully...
cougar1717
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"Why all the craze of single stacks?"
You have to remember that the public has been asking for this for a while. This fad started back in the BHO years. Single stack compact, sub-c, and micro 9mm's and 380's to a lesser extent is the segment of handguns that is selling in volume right now. (AR-15's have dropped off the map, except when an incident hits the news).
When you think about handgun sales, most people aren't going out to buy a revolver - SA or DA. The political climate is still stable (at least in the short term), so hi-cap anything is easily available and not in high demand. The polymer striker fired market is so saturated and "everybody has one... or a few... or many" to such an extent that it's not novel anymore. Look at the Beretta APX double stack series. They were so late to the game that it seemed like they were introduced and almost immediately discounted in the form of manufacturer rebates. Beretta now has the single stack APX carry in that family of handguns. Why? That type of gun is making sales right now.
Additionally, police trade-ins soften the full size double stack market. It gets to the point where many people (me included) have to ask, "Do I really need another 15-17 round capacity 9mm?" The answer is no. I will literally have to several thousand dollars on ammo before I wear one of these out. Then, depending on manufacturer, I can send it back and they will service it for free or low cost.
Also, not enough people hunt anymore to make single shot pistols or huge revolvers that look cool but nobody really wants to shoot en vogue again.
However, the hype train is chugging on for single stack compact 9mm's until it (eventually) loses steam. Remember, in 2017 S&W was deeply discounting Shield 1.0 pistols with a $75 rebate. Now, Sig has the P365, which is still at the top of the fad, includes night sights. It basically made Glock add night sights to the 43X to compete.
This fad is winding down as well. Manufacturers are competing, which is great for consumers. This can only go on for so long. The market for this style will saturate and then manufacturers will promote something with higher margins.
The hype train will eventually need to switch track soon to something with higher margins. My guess is that the high end, quality steel framed pistols are due up be pushed onto the train next. We have seen high end 1911's cycle back, Wilson Combat 92's, Beretta Factory 92X Performance, the custom shop Sigs (or Legion), and the performance center S&W's (they have not done this yet outside of 1911's, but how cool would it be if they brought back high end model 39's - I guy can dream, right?).
Politics and demand has a lot to do with firearm trends. Right now, the single stack 9mm is where it's at.
You have to remember that the public has been asking for this for a while. This fad started back in the BHO years. Single stack compact, sub-c, and micro 9mm's and 380's to a lesser extent is the segment of handguns that is selling in volume right now. (AR-15's have dropped off the map, except when an incident hits the news).
When you think about handgun sales, most people aren't going out to buy a revolver - SA or DA. The political climate is still stable (at least in the short term), so hi-cap anything is easily available and not in high demand. The polymer striker fired market is so saturated and "everybody has one... or a few... or many" to such an extent that it's not novel anymore. Look at the Beretta APX double stack series. They were so late to the game that it seemed like they were introduced and almost immediately discounted in the form of manufacturer rebates. Beretta now has the single stack APX carry in that family of handguns. Why? That type of gun is making sales right now.
Additionally, police trade-ins soften the full size double stack market. It gets to the point where many people (me included) have to ask, "Do I really need another 15-17 round capacity 9mm?" The answer is no. I will literally have to several thousand dollars on ammo before I wear one of these out. Then, depending on manufacturer, I can send it back and they will service it for free or low cost.
Also, not enough people hunt anymore to make single shot pistols or huge revolvers that look cool but nobody really wants to shoot en vogue again.
However, the hype train is chugging on for single stack compact 9mm's until it (eventually) loses steam. Remember, in 2017 S&W was deeply discounting Shield 1.0 pistols with a $75 rebate. Now, Sig has the P365, which is still at the top of the fad, includes night sights. It basically made Glock add night sights to the 43X to compete.
This fad is winding down as well. Manufacturers are competing, which is great for consumers. This can only go on for so long. The market for this style will saturate and then manufacturers will promote something with higher margins.
The hype train will eventually need to switch track soon to something with higher margins. My guess is that the high end, quality steel framed pistols are due up be pushed onto the train next. We have seen high end 1911's cycle back, Wilson Combat 92's, Beretta Factory 92X Performance, the custom shop Sigs (or Legion), and the performance center S&W's (they have not done this yet outside of 1911's, but how cool would it be if they brought back high end model 39's - I guy can dream, right?).
Politics and demand has a lot to do with firearm trends. Right now, the single stack 9mm is where it's at.
.308 Norma
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I’ve noticed the same thing. But I’m not sure how many other people notice it.
What I mean is, the Friday before last, our Post of the American Legion did a Dutch oven cookout for the County Fair/Rodeo here. I served up almost 200 big spoonfuls of cheesy Dutch oven potatoes.
Anyway, there’s one member of our Post who I know carries a full sized 1911 almost all the time. At least he’s wearing it (sometimes openly) every time I see him. And I could see it printing under the large, loose fitting Hawaiian style shirt he was wearing at the Dutch oven cookout Friday night.
However, I doubt very many people noticed that 1911 any more than they noticed the j-frame Smith I was wearing under my own loose fitting shirt. I figured I noticed my friend’s long-handled 1911 only because I was looking for it.
There’s another member of our Post (who wasn't at the cookout) that is open carrying his Kahr (I think it’s a K-9) whenever I see him. I'm sure if he wanted to, he could conceal that little Kahr a lot easier than the other guy can conceal his full-sized 1911. But I guess open vs concealed carry is some other discussion – many “other” discussions.
JR24
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I’ve noticed the same thing. But I’m not sure how many other people notice it.
What I mean is, the Friday before last, our Post of the American Legion did a Dutch oven cookout for the County Fair/Rodeo here. I served up almost 200 big spoonfuls of cheesy Dutch oven potatoes.
Anyway, there’s one member of our Post who I know carries a full sized 1911 almost all the time. At least he’s wearing it (sometimes openly) every time I see him. And I could see it printing under the large, loose fitting Hawaiian style shirt he was wearing at the Dutch oven cookout Friday night.
However, I doubt very many people noticed that 1911 any more than they noticed the j-frame Smith I was wearing under my own loose fitting shirt. I figured I noticed my friend’s long-handled 1911 only because I was looking for it.
There’s another member of our Post (who wasn't at the cookout) that is open carrying his Kahr (I think it’s a K-9) whenever I see him. I'm sure if he wanted to, he could conceal that little Kahr a lot easier than the other guy can conceal his full-sized 1911. But I guess open vs concealed carry is some other discussion – many “other” discussions.
1911s, even full size, conceal amazingly well due to their flat profile. Slim grips and, better yet, a bobtail make it even better.
Another one that shocked me with how well it conceals despite feeling like it shouldn't due to size and weight is the Sig P226. Mine conceals as well as a much smaller gun, just a bit weighty at like 46 oz with 18 + 1.
Trunk Monkey
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No they didn't
I can't prove I am real either, so we can agree on that. I have no opinion on 1903 Colts, but the 1911 has had over a century of refinement and development. By now, they ought to have the bugs out, but I can say, in my Kuhnausen book, there are lots of pages on adjustments and timing.
With today's computer modeling and high speed camera's they can quickly identify feed issues that would have taken a lot more puzzling before they had these things. But I am going to claim that product maturity is more important to feed reliability than whether the magazine is double stack or single stack.
Well darn it.....I served up almost 200 big spoonfuls of cheesy Dutch oven potatoes.
Now that's all I can think about.
Trunk Monkey
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I’ve noticed the same thing. But I’m not sure how many other people notice it.
What I mean is, the Friday before last, our Post of the American Legion did a Dutch oven cookout for the County Fair/Rodeo here. I served up almost 200 big spoonfuls of cheesy Dutch oven potatoes.
That's as far as I read. Now I want some cheesy Dutch oven potatoes
I could carry my SR9c, it’s a double stack and holds 10+ 1 in the chamber, or my shield with 8 rd mag plus 1 in the chamber. Thats 9 in the single stack vs 11 in the double stack. Counting ammo, the Shield is a good quarter pound lighter and close to a quarter inch thinner. Since I am in a low threat area, thin and light equals convenience for the win
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There's a guy that posts here and a lot of different forms named Fastbolt. He had a long career in law enforcement and there's a couple of posts where he breaks down the three shots three yards rule. If I can find one I'd link to it they're pretty detailed and good reading
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