Really depends on how much you shoot.. If your shooting thousands upon thousands a rounds a month through a singular gun. Parts will eventually break on pretty much every gun made. If a box a month is more like it... than you are not going to see many issues, if any at all.
Cz 75 cocked and locked vs 9mm 1911
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Really depends on how much you shoot.. If your shooting thousands upon thousands a rounds a month through a singular gun. Parts will eventually break on pretty much every gun made. If a box a month is more like it... than you are not going to see many issues, if any at all.
JTQ
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There are a variety of options. The issue is more the location rather than the shape. However, I will agree with you the CZ75B thumb safety shape isn't very good. I often refer to it as a "half a jellybean".
I had a trigger return spring on a Witness break after a few hundred rounds, and an external extractor on a 1911 fail after thousands of rounds. The ergonomics & trigger on the 1911 are superior to the CZ clone, but those are my examples and your mileage may vary.
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European standards are not American, I believe that even though one could go condition 3 with a European handgun it was never designed to be carried that way which is why DA/SA and decocker systems are so prevalent in European guns.
Even the BHP, a wonderful John Browning design was made to European standards which is why the slide safety was not designed the same as the 1911. European manufacturers desired the enormous American market so they adapted many SA's to be carried condition 3, they however do not teach condition 3 to their local police but they no longer have to with most of their military and police carrying either Striker fired or DA/SA with deckockers.
Even the BHP, a wonderful John Browning design was made to European standards which is why the slide safety was not designed the same as the 1911. European manufacturers desired the enormous American market so they adapted many SA's to be carried condition 3, they however do not teach condition 3 to their local police but they no longer have to with most of their military and police carrying either Striker fired or DA/SA with deckockers.
JTQ
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You mention Condition 3, but is your actual intention to comment on Condition 1 carry?
BLUF:
Both great gun designs. Non-competition/high-round count users won;t be able to tell the difference in MTBF.
That said...have read literature by competitors that the CZ-75 pistols require more maintenance than a quality 1911.
Had I not bought into 1911s first, I would own several CZ-75s. CZ-75s cost less, but the cost of gearing up for CCW with one negates the lower initial cost (IWB, OWB, Shoulder holsters and mag carriers).
Both are sweet, mild shooters with 9mm and either is a good answer. Were I made of money, I would own both.
JR24
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Thanks for all the well thought-out answers. As always I leave this site learning something new.
If I come home with a new commander sized 1911... I'm telling my wife that you guys are to blame.
Do it, well maybe get permission first!
I was a .45 or bust 1911 guy for years and years but now my most shot 1911s are in 9 and 10 mm. The 9mm in a lightweight commander or CCO frame is nearly as light as a Glock 19, still gets 10 and shoots like a dream.
brunowbe
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FEG is back in business waiting on the approval from US for importing their firearms. They will be importing BHP clones along with AK variants (including Dragunov clones). There is a thread on another firearm forum where one of their owners/reps has been detailing their progress. He estimates about 6 months from now (if I read it correctly) for the first products to show up for sale.
Deanimator
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There may be a Hi Power in my future...
Jim Watson
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I have swung both ways with a CZ and find the reach to DA trigger and SA safety to be long but manageable. If somebody wanted to sponsor Team Mediocre with something besides a 1911 or 2011, I would ask for a CZ.
I had extractor failures for which they sold me a new extractor and spring for $13. From what I have seen since, a new Wolff spring would have probably fixed it, there was nothing visibly wrong with the hook.
CZ and TZ are very popular in USPSA and IPSC Production and Production/Carry Optic divisions. But those guns are usually heavily modified and regularly maintained.
The only actual breakage I have ever had was that weak extractor on the CZ and a couple of broken Commander extractors (probably bad ammo) and a broken 1991A1 firing pin stop.
I had extractor failures for which they sold me a new extractor and spring for $13. From what I have seen since, a new Wolff spring would have probably fixed it, there was nothing visibly wrong with the hook.
CZ and TZ are very popular in USPSA and IPSC Production and Production/Carry Optic divisions. But those guns are usually heavily modified and regularly maintained.
The only actual breakage I have ever had was that weak extractor on the CZ and a couple of broken Commander extractors (probably bad ammo) and a broken 1991A1 firing pin stop.
gotboostvr
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Not a small part of why I wanted a SAO CZ 75 was the larger ambi safety.
I wanted a large, steel frame double stack, "service" (versus "competition") cocked and locked capable 9mm.
I was thinking a plain-Jane CZ75B, and just ignore the DA trigger, but the bigger safeties and unique trigger shape seemed like niceties I'd appreciate. Since I wasn't planning on using the DA anyways the 75BSA seemed like a good choice.
Between the thin grips I have on it, and the beefier safeties I have no issue manipulating any of the controls on it. My favorite non-1911 semi auto
I wanted a large, steel frame double stack, "service" (versus "competition") cocked and locked capable 9mm.
I was thinking a plain-Jane CZ75B, and just ignore the DA trigger, but the bigger safeties and unique trigger shape seemed like niceties I'd appreciate. Since I wasn't planning on using the DA anyways the 75BSA seemed like a good choice.
Between the thin grips I have on it, and the beefier safeties I have no issue manipulating any of the controls on it. My favorite non-1911 semi auto
If someone likes a CZ gun except for the specific shape of the safety paddle, that is a pretty easy thing to change: https://czcustom.com/cz-parts-all/safeties.html
JR24
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Sadly for me none of those work well for my needs, I've tried them all I believe. Location is more the issue.
I suppose I could adapt eventually, but I don't want to spend the time when 1911s and Sig SAO exist
The pivot point on the CZ safety is further forward than on a 1911. With my medium-sized hands, I've never had to pay any attention to it. Safety shape matters a lot more to me, because I want to be able to ride the safety very securely with my right hand, but I do not want to have the top of my left thumb base/heel rubbing on the bottom of it. Safeties that have a pronounced downward bend often end up getting into my left hand.... I like a fairly wide, pretty straight safety.
When it comes to little stuff like this, you can't argue with people's hand geometry. Different things work for different people.
When it comes to little stuff like this, you can't argue with people's hand geometry. Different things work for different people.
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