22 accelerator in 7.62x39?

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picked up some 22 accelerator sabot's the other day, other the my 308 win i don't have anything to play around with them. anyone ever try them in the 7.62x39, i have a cz 527 carbine that shoots very good, so i figured it my work. i do have to get some 22 bullets tho, i want to try a 50gr or 55gr and maybe a 70gr or 75gr.
i may just pull some steel case bullets and load the sabot with the 22 and see what happens.

also looking for any data for the 308win with the sabot. thanks troy.
 
res45 said:
About ten years ago I loaded up a batch and shot them in my SKS rifles. They cycled the action an were minute of pop can at 50 yds. Didn't keep any records as I was just trying it out to see if it would work.
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good to see i am not to crazy lol. i looked up the price for the sabots there $12 a 100 and pair with a ten cent 22 bullet it's cheaper to just load normal 310 or 308 bullets. did they have any power behind them.
 
troy fairweather said:
good to see i am not to crazy lol. i looked up the price for the sabots there $12 a 100 and pair with a ten cent 22 bullet it's cheaper to just load normal 310 or 308 bullets. did they have any power behind them.
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Don't recall the exact amount but it was like 24 gr. Reloader #7, Sabots are .308" in dia. while the rifles bores were .311", that didn't help with accuracy much.
 
Only ones I ever tried were not capable of accuracy on the level of what the rifles could do without sabots.

In semiautos make sure you have enough neck tension that they don’t get shoved back and after you slam one home and eject it to check on that you might check runout also. I never ran them in semiautos.
 
troy fairweather said:
picked up some 22 accelerator sabot's the other day, other the my 308 win i don't have anything to play around with them. anyone ever try them in the 7.62x39, i have a cz 527 carbine that shoots very good, so i figured it my work. i do have to get some 22 bullets tho, i want to try a 50gr or 55gr and maybe a 70gr or 75gr.
i may just pull some steel case bullets and load the sabot with the 22 and see what happens.

also looking for any data for the 308win with the sabot. thanks troy.
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Sounds like fun. I encourage you to try it. Be sure to post a range report.
 
I tried them in 308 and 30-06, both bolt rifles. Got them to work somewhat but accuracy was just so so. Concluded that a inexpensive 308 30 carbine bullet was more accurate by far. Still it was fun to experiment with them. It was so long ago l have no memory of the charges l used back then though.
 
I purchased some Remington Accelerators and tested them, 55gr screaming out the end of the barrel of a 30-06, 100yrds ok accuracy, 200yrds so so accuracy, 300yrds not so much. I then loaded some 125gr and was pleased with them, a lot more than the 110gr I loaded.
Is your 7.62 x 39 a 308 barrel or 311? Seems like if it is 311 it will be a little loose
 
rdnktrkr said:
I purchased some Remington Accelerators and tested them, 55gr screaming out the end of the barrel of a 30-06, 100yrds ok accuracy, 200yrds so so accuracy, 300yrds not so much. I then loaded some 125gr and was pleased with them, a lot more than the 110gr I loaded.
Is your 7.62 x 39 a 308 barrel or 311? Seems like if it is 311 it will be a little loose
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mine is a .311 but the cz rifles shoot .308 bullets very well. the 125 are a nice little bullet out of the bigger 30s.
 
troy fairweather said:
mine is a .311 but the cz rifles shoot .308 bullets very well. the 125 are a nice little bullet out of the bigger 30s.
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If you're wanting varmint rifle performance, try pistol bullets. They shot accurately, were the correct diameter and are soft. I struggle enough with sabots in a muzzle loader, I'm not even going to attempt them on rifles.
 
Bfh_auto said:
If you're wanting varmint rifle performance, try pistol bullets. They shot accurately, were the correct diameter and are soft. I struggle enough with sabots in a muzzle loader, I'm not even going to attempt them on rifles.
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i just going to try the sabots since they were free. i don't expect them to shoot good but willing to try.
 
Where do they sell those? I was talking to my sil and would like to try some with heavier bullets, something upper 60s or the 70s. I was thinking heavier bullets might be more accurate and stable at over 100yrds.
He was shooting my 125gr reloads this weekend at 100yrds and he and his friends were impressed, he said they wanted to buy a 30-06 and start shooting them. I'm waiting on cooler temps to do any shooting (mosquitoes and ticks) so I loaded 100 more 125gr for our cook-out / shoot-out we have but now I might need to do some more.
 
rdnktrkr said:
Where do they sell those? I was talking to my sil and would like to try some with heavier bullets, something upper 60s or the 70s. I was thinking heavier bullets might be more accurate and stable at over 100yrds.
He was shooting my 125gr reloads this weekend at 100yrds and he and his friends were impressed, he said they wanted to buy a 30-06 and start shooting them. I'm waiting on cooler temps to do any shooting (mosquitoes and ticks) so I loaded 100 more 125gr for our cook-out / shoot-out we have but now I might need to do some more.
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I think there are a few places making and selling them, just Google 22 cal sabots. I would like to try the heavier bullets to. The sabot a are about $12/100 kinda pricey to me. I have about 200 the rest are up at my dads, think he has the other 800ish.
 
Thanks for the info, those look like they would be fun. After hunting season I will have to get some.
I could put some 50gr varmint bullets and go varmint hunting with a Howa 1500 or Rem 700 30-06:).
 
It's been a few years since I ordered from them, but I always had good luck with these folks and they're a good bit cheaper than most.

http://jdcomponents.com/prices/prices.html

I've loaded sabot rounds for several different chamberings with bore sizes ranging from .308" to .312" and I've made a few observations over the years. Remember, these are only my observations, and they're worth exactly what you paid for 'em.

I've never been able to come up with a sabot load that shot as well as a good load with a quality bore size bullet.

.312 barrels seem to shoot sabots about as well as .308 bores.

If a particular bullet won't stabilize in a 1/10" twist .224 bore, it won't stabilize in a 1/10" twist .308 bore either.

Flat base bullets are much easier to stabilize and get decent accuracy with than boat tails.

A piece of lumber with a 1/8th inch hole drilled in it works great for seating bullets in sabots.

If you're shooting over a chronograph, cover any expensive downrange bits with something strong enough to resist a sabot strike!
 
Swampman said:
It's been a few years since I ordered from them, but I always had good luck with these folks and they're a good bit cheaper than most.

http://jdcomponents.com/prices/prices.html

I've loaded sabot rounds for several different chamberings with bore sizes ranging from .308" to .312" and I've made a few observations over the years. Remember, these are only my observations, and they're worth exactly what you paid for 'em.

I've never been able to come up with a sabot load that shot as well as a good load with a quality bore size bullet.

.312 barrels seem to shoot sabots about as well as .308 bores.

If a particular bullet won't stabilize in a 1/10" twist .224 bore, it won't stabilize in a 1/10" twist .308 bore either.

Flat base bullets are much easier to stabilize and get decent accuracy with than boat tails.

A piece of lumber with a 1/8th inch hole drilled in it works great for seating bullets in sabots.

If you're shooting over a chronograph, cover any expensive downrange bits with something strong enough to resist a sabot strike!
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thanks for the info and links.
 
I fired some of them in a Mosin Nagant PU replica 7.62X54R. I do not remember the charge, but I did work off of 110 gr Data as a reference point. I think Viht has data for X39 as light as 90 grains, so that might be a point to begin your interpolation. I believe it was old Lyman data I interpolated from and I used IMR 4320. Performance of a 55 gr Soft point on soft targets was absolutely spectacular. I believe they worked fairly well in the larger bore diameter, as I got accuracy on par with some of the best surplus ammo in this rifle, but not rivaling my match handloads.

This was a one-off experiment with some components I was given for free, so I never really pursued testing to include a chronograph.

https://www.vihtavuori.com/reloading-data/rifle-reloading/?cartridge=85 Better yet, they go down to a 57 gr fullbore bullet.
 
Random 8 said:
I fired some of them in a Mosin Nagant PU replica 7.62X54R. I do not remember the charge, but I did work off of 110 gr Data as a reference point. I think Viht has data for X39 as light as 90 grains, so that might be a point to begin your interpolation. I believe it was old Lyman data I interpolated from and I used IMR 4320. Performance of a 55 gr Soft point on soft targets was absolutely spectacular. I believe they worked fairly well in the larger bore diameter, as I got accuracy on par with some of the best surplus ammo in this rifle, but not rivaling my match handloads.

This was a one-off experiment with some components I was given for free, so I never really pursued testing to include a chronograph.

https://www.vihtavuori.com/reloading-data/rifle-reloading/?cartridge=85 Better yet, they go down to a 57 gr fullbore bullet.
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thanks ya same here just trying things out with the things I was given.
 
SpringM1A said:
I have developed duplex loads for most of the sabot'd small-cased cartridges (like .30 M1 - 3700+ MV) and it is most likely possible for the 39mm case too. And without exceeding 50,000 psi-ish.
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The .30 US Carbine is the only .30/.31 caliber round that I have always considered as truly hopeless with sabots, at least when fired from standard 1/20" twist barrels with the jacketed bullets available 20 years ago.

I was able to push Sierra 40 gr. round nose "Hornet" bullets at close to 2800 fps, but they were completely unstable, often hitting sideways at only 10 yards.

How did you do it?
 
Well I was digging around some of my old pics and found the target I shot at 100 yds. using the 52 gr. BTHP match bullet an sabot in the 7.62 x 39. Kinda got the same results when I shot .308" jacketed bullets in the SKS as well. The center dot in 1".
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I have a pile of sabots and the loader thingy if anyone wants them, I never got around to doing all the testing I wanted. In my .300aac I did ok with 55gr softpoints, and 65gr game kings, but accuracy wasn't so hot.
 
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