New Colt AR15-A4 Poor Build Qaulity or Normal and safe to shoot?

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Hello all,

I’ll start off by saying this is going to be a longer post. I purchased a new Colt AR15-A4 last year in November. When I received the gun there were issues with it right away. The M4 feed ramps were cut incorrectly, there were scraps on the barrel, and the safety did not engage correctly. I sent the gun into Colt and it sat for 4 months until I called them. They stated they were behind but would put it at the front of the line. Instead what they did was swap the upper and shipped it out. Ok good for them on that. Low and behold I get the new gun and there are still issues. The upper looked like it had been used with scrap marks inside the receiver down to the bare metal and the bolt was as loose as a goose. I called Colt up again and stated the issues. This time Colt said send in the upper and they would do a swap. Perfect I thought so I sent in the upper and within 2 weeks my replacement arrived. The new upper looks way better except now the barrel M4 feed ramps look worse then the first one I sent in, there are two gouge marks in the barrel, and there what looks to be a couple of bend marks in the gas tube, and the gas tube seems to not be centered on the front post. I called Colt again and this time they asked if the feed ramps were causing a function problem. I told them that it didn’t matter if it functioned correctly or not that it looked like someone went in there with a Dremel and that wasn’t acceptable on an almost $1,100 rifle. The gentleman at Colt said that they couldn’t guarantee that there wouldn’t’ be cosmetic issues with the barrel or any part of the gun and asked what I wanted to do about it. I told him at this point I want them to purchase the gun back and they agreed to do so. Stating I’d get an RMA in my inbox. I’m writing this to get everyone’s opinion and if there happens to be any gunsmiths reading this your expertise would be greatly appreciated. I’ve attached pictures and I’m wondering if this looks like it should to you or if I’m over QCing the issue. What I’m afraid of is that the locking lug between the feed ramps has been shaved off too much and will cause issues down the road as there is not a lot of surface for the bolt lug to lock onto at this point. I’m also worried about the gas tube having impeded function do to the kink in it. Are these issues I’m seeing or is it shootable and will live up to its life expectancy?

Oh, a little bit about my experience with the AR platform. I was in the Army National Guard for 13 years. My assigned weapon was the M16A2 and then an M16A4 both with the M203 grenade launcher attached to them. That was until I finally got the armor to assign it to a Specialist lol. I also have assisted cleaning many M16’s and in doing so I’ve never AR’s that that looked like this. Worn yes but damaged no.

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I see nothing in a Colt to differentiate it from the others. . . other than Name and Care in Assembly. I would want a Colt to be right, not merely operable.
 
All I will say is I just bought a new AR and none of the rifles I considered looked like that. My main point is you aren't happy and I don't think you will ever have confidence in the rifle. Send it back. Even if it shoots and functions perfectly there will always be that seed of doubt.



Or just clean it and shoot it. I would bet it works. :D
 
Have you fired this rifle yet? Does it function properly? I'm no expert by any means but an AR without any scratches or wear doesn't seem right. I wouldn't worry about scratches. The feed ramps do look a bit rough but I'm looking at your photos on my phone so it may not be as bad as it looks from here.
 
Sounds like the original issue is resolved with the buyback, but now you're faced with spending the money elsewhere or buying another Colt. Did you buy on line or from a LGS? Perhaps a LGS and an inspection on the next one would alleviate issues.
 
All I will say is I just bought a new AR and none of the rifles I considered looked like that. My main point is you aren't happy and I don't think you will ever have confidence in the rifle. Send it back. Even if it shoots and functions perfectly there will always be that seed of doubt.



Or just clean it and shoot it. I would bet it works. :D


Thank you for your input much appreciated.
 
The gouges in the ramps don't look normal to me. Like they're chipped out near the top?

That's what I thought. If you're looking at the ones that have the receiver upside down, the one on the right is the one I thought looked chipped the worse.
 
Have you fired this rifle yet? Does it function properly? I'm no expert by any means but an AR without any scratches or wear doesn't seem right. I wouldn't worry about scratches. The feed ramps do look a bit rough but I'm looking at your photos on my phone so it may not be as bad as it looks from here.

They look that rough in person too.
 
Sounds like the original issue is resolved with the buyback, but now you're faced with spending the money elsewhere or buying another Colt. Did you buy on line or from a LGS? Perhaps a LGS and an inspection on the next one would alleviate issues.

Yes it would be an easy fix to send it back, but I wanted opinions on if this would cause issues going forward because I was thinking of keeping it and just dealing with it. It was more of longevity concern. I agree with some of the other statements that being a new rifle a buyer should not have to deal with this. An that's the part of me that is like send it back and just be done with it. Hence looking for opinions and any expertise that comes along the way.

The rifle was purchased new from Sportsmansguide. I've had very good luck with buying from them. Just seems like Colt's QC is lacking.

Thank you for taking the time to read my post.
 
I’ve sold thousands of Colt AR-15s over the years and most have had minor cosmetic issues. But I’ve never once had a customer have actual functionality issues that had anything to do with the rifle. Often Colt rifles aren’t the prettiest straight out of the box, but they sure are reliable and they sure do hold up to abuse. I’ve seen more functionality issues with Knights Armament than I have with Colt.
 
Colt built ARs have lots of cosmetic issues? That's unfortunate. Then again, my two PSA lowers had minor dings in them that did absolutely nothing to impede operation, but they were way out of the way of anything important, just minor marks on the outside of the receiver.
Heck, my El Cheapo Bear Creek Arsenal barrels both look better than those.
 
Take your refund to PSA. Then you will have TWO rifles...

But to the pictures, to me it looks like flashing on the barrel extension.
The last pictures were good but I'm having a hard time conceptualizing what I'm seeing.
You say the metal is missing? Not good. I never understood the reason behind the allure to Colts, but that is not the discussion.
That they did not, in fact by their own admission, repair this rifle properly, I would take that money and get a different brand.
Over a thousand for a bone-stock, mil-spec is absolutely ridiculous. Over six is too much...

As to their defense of poor machining in a critical, chamber pressure locking portion of the firearm as "cosmetic imperfection"...

That's ok! Humans drop rifles at the factory ALL the time!
These rifles are sold at half price as "Blems". These blemishes are based on finish and outward appearance alone and any flawed parts would have been replaced.
I purchase mine this way, from several different companies, and have yet to get one that looks blemished in some way. (I may have low standards!:D, but I doubt it...)

Some of the marks in the upper that make it look used could have been from cycling inert rounds to check for operation, as this would have been in the "fix-it" side, not the factory.

The gas tube is dinged, but not enough to impede function.(Why are they handling their product so roughly?:confused:)

Even when you purchase online you may refuse the rifle. I'm not completing the transfer on something other than what I intended on purchasing.
 
I don't think it's just the one thing... it's the sum of all the little things. I wouldn't like your rifle, either, if that's what I opened the box too. It almost looks like they are assembling it with mix-n-match parts from returns or something.

I bought a new Colt H-bar in the early '90's, it has the absolute worst trigger in the safe, period... and that on a 'target' rifle. I swallowed that because the rest of the rifle was perfect. Back then, there weren't as many options if you wanted an AR... Colt was probably the best thing going, but not these days. OP, you did what I would have done... I'd be looking elsewhere...
 
I apologize I haven't been able to respond to comments sooner. I've been a little swamped at work. Thank you everyone for your input and comments. They have been very helpful. Keep em coming and I'll let you all know how this whole fiasco pans out.
 
I second the motion. Send it back; get your refund; buy something like a Rock River rifle and never look back.

Your input is appreciated. I've never heard of that brand but I have looked at a couple of other brands my friends have and none of theirs look like this.
 
This is the beauty of face to face rifle in had then cash out of pocket transactions.

I agree with you whole heartily. The issue was at the time I bought this they were far and few between. Local stores couldn't get them in and so I turned to the online community. I will say that the site I ordered this gun from I've purchased guns before from and those guns have all been in proper cosmetic and functioning condition.
 
Take your refund to PSA. Then you will have TWO rifles...

But to the pictures, to me it looks like flashing on the barrel extension.
The last pictures were good but I'm having a hard time conceptualizing what I'm seeing.
You say the metal is missing? Not good. I never understood the reason behind the allure to Colts, but that is not the discussion.
That they did not, in fact by their own admission, repair this rifle properly, I would take that money and get a different brand.
Over a thousand for a bone-stock, mil-spec is absolutely ridiculous. Over six is too much...

As to their defense of poor machining in a critical, chamber pressure locking portion of the firearm as "cosmetic imperfection"...

That's ok! Humans drop rifles at the factory ALL the time!
These rifles are sold at half price as "Blems". These blemishes are based on finish and outward appearance alone and any flawed parts would have been replaced.
I purchase mine this way, from several different companies, and have yet to get one that looks blemished in some way. (I may have low standards!:D, but I doubt it...)

Some of the marks in the upper that make it look used could have been from cycling inert rounds to check for operation, as this would have been in the "fix-it" side, not the factory.

The gas tube is dinged, but not enough to impede function.(Why are they handling their product so roughly?:confused:)

Even when you purchase online you may refuse the rifle. I'm not completing the transfer on something other than what I intended on purchasing.

Thank you for all your comments. Very insightful and helpful.
What do mean by flashing?
It's hard to capture but the feed ramps locking lugs are not as long as the other locking lugs, also there is a slight nick on the top of one of them. Best way I can describe it.
To help on the last few pictures I took pics from multiple angles trying to get a good one of what looks to be a kink in the gas tube. (I was wondering why they handled it so roughly as well)
If your talking about the photos earlier on
The rifle when purchased online looked good when I looked at it at the FFL. It wasn't until I got it home and removed the thick shipping oil from everything that I noticed the issues on the first one.

After doing some more research online and seeing a lot of threads about this, it almost seems as if Colt is selling the military rejects to the civilians.

Thanks again for taking such a close look at the rifle and commenting on it.

One part you didn't answer and if you could would be great, In your opinion could those feed ramps be fixed by a competent gunsmith or are they a failure waiting to happen?
 
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