Worth Passing On

The 2A only provides the protections; it does not provide the courage and conviction.

People today only interested in their things.
Would rather video your house burning than put a hose on it.
When you consider the army in the revolutionary war was approximately 3% of the population we would be lucky today to get 0.3%. The only real hope we have is those that swore to protect the constitution from enemies both foreign and domestic.

From the 9th circuit no less. However, if it comes to the point that government refuses to stand for re-election and the courts have lost their judicial power, then we will be in a state of anarchy and the 2nd Amendment won’t mean jack because there’s no one to uphold it and no one listening to the courts in the legislative branch. At that point, all bets are off. And legislators will have a shorter life expectancy than a 2nd Lt. in Vietnam.

BigBore44 said:

From the 9th circuit no less. However, if it comes to the point that government refuses to stand for re-election and the courts have lost their judicial power, then we will be in a state of anarchy and the 2nd Amendment won’t mean jack because there’s no one to uphold it and no one listening to the courts in the legislative branch. At that point, all bets are off. And legislators will have a shorter life expectancy than a 2nd Lt. in Vietnam.

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The value of the 2A is in its deterrance value, rather than its execution. Thats why the Socialist Left must remove it BEFORE they can "fundamentally change" America.

Much like nuclear weapons, if it comes to the point where we actaully have to use them, there will be little left to protect......

skeeterfogger said:

The only real hope we have is those that swore to protect the constitution from enemies both foreign and domestic.

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I would agree with you if every elected politician didn't swear to do exactly that.

The senate oath:

“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.”

So I'm not impressed by the fact that someone merely took the same oath as the folks in elected office, half of whom are scum, took and then proceeded to ignore.

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So I'm not impressed by the fact that someone merely took the same oath as the folks in elected office, half of whom are scum, took and then proceeded to ignore.

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I guess we can hope, however, that the motivation, especially when assuming the potential risks, differs in the enlisted person from that in the elected one.

Was thinking more of military.

skeeterfogger said:

Was thinking more of military.

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I took it to mean that as well. Our military of volunteer citizens (as opposed to conscript subjects) is a powerful check on the aspirations of any would-be despots.

NIGHTLORD40K said:

I took it to mean that as well. Our military of volunteer citizens (as opposed to conscript subjects) is a powerful check on the aspirations of any would-be despots.

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Oh, it gets complicated. And it gets complicated fast. The longer the chain of command, the more complicated it can get. In theory, every last private is sworn to the constitution. In reality, every corporal, sergeant, captain, lieutenant colonel and general above him is going to influence what he decides. Not to mention lack of sleep, peer pressure, emotion, family and the fact that the weapons are locked in the arms room under the aegis of command, a body that wields almost infinite power.

It's not like every spec-4 can grab his weapon and straighten congress out even if he's been pushed past his limit.

When I think of ways to undo a government that has overstayed it's welcome, I think of the military as an obstacle, not an ally.

In theory, there is no difference between theory and reality, and in theory, everyone in the military will defend the constitution, not the individuals.

In reality, there is an enormous difference between theory and reality.

skeeterfogger said:

The only real hope we have is those that swore to protect the constitution from enemies both foreign and domestic.

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Although it's a pretty hazy memory froom almost 40 years ago, I don't reccomember when I ETS'd from the Army anyone abrogating my oath to protect the Constitution. Just didn't have to salute people I didn't personally respect anymore.

Good quote, thanks for sharing.

Service terms may end.
The Oath lives on.

skeeterfogger said:

Was thinking more of military.

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I fear military dictatorship much more then the progressive left.

Palolosj said:

I fear military dictatorship much more then the progressive left.

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I spent almost 21 years in the army (1966 - 1986) and have no fear at all of that happening.

Palolosj said:

I fear military dictatorship much more then the progressive left.

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It could end as the same thing, as with Russia (1917) and China (1949).

IJ1981 said:

It could end as the same thing, as with Russia (1917) and China (1949).

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No, violence, economic force, coersion will not work, therefore, ideological approach is preferred through propagation of virtues and norms so they become 'common sense' in society. This will be accomplished through education systems and by utilizing mass media outlets pushing acceptance, tolerance, multiculturalism,....